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« on: January 14, 2009, 10:07:02 pm »

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According to the Windy City Times, during the 1996 race for the Illinois State Senate, President-Elect Barack Obama gave statements that expressed an "unequivocal support for gay marriage."

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President-elect Obama's answer to a 1996 Outlines newspaper question on marriage was: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages." There was no use of the phrase "civil unions". [Outlines purchased Windy City Times in 2000 and merged companies.]

This answer is among those included in this week's Windy City Times feature on Obama's evolving position on gay marriage. Windy City Times also includes his answers to the candidate questionnaire of IMPACT, at one time a gay political action committee in Illinois. In that survey he also stated his support of same-sex marriage.

During the final weeks of the presidential campaign last fall, several media outlets contacted Windy City Times because of an old internet story from the 1996 Illinois state Senate race. In that campaign, Outlines newspaper reported that 13th District candidate Barack Obama supported gay marriage. Reporters wanted to know what exactly Obama had said.

Outlines summarized the results in that 1996 article by Trudy Ring, but did not list exact answers to questions. In that article Outlines did note that Obama was a supporter of same-sex marriage and that article was never challenged or corrected by Obama. Just recently, the original Outlines and IMPACT surveys were found in the newspaper's archives.

This story will run as an exclusive in tomorrow's Windy City Times, which will include a corresponding piece from University of Chicago doctoral candidate Timothy Stewart-Winter, which will examine this issue in "the context of Obama's race in 1996 against incumbent Alice Palmer."
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 01:22:59 am »

Just proves that he became a Conservative over time ...
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 02:01:02 am »

Just proves that he became a Conservative over time ...

I have a slightly different hypothesis Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 02:07:10 am »

Damn! 1996! Can you say FF?

Of course, I understand that it would not have been politically feasible to continue to openly support gay marriage, but this merely reaffirms that Barack is a freedom fighter at heart.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 02:09:21 am »

Just proves that he became a Conservative over time ...

I have a slightly different hypothesis Tongue

I've never heard of people going from resolutely pro to wishy-washy anti on the gay marriage issue...
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 02:10:02 am »

Good. He did what he had to do in order to get elected. Now perhaps we can get something going here eventually...
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 02:10:12 am »

What happened? Sad

Hopefully Barack will come to his senses and return to his old ways. Or better yet, maybe he never really left. If only...
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 02:11:09 am »

What happened? Sad

A desire to move from Chicago to D.C.
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 02:12:17 am »

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 02:13:15 am »


Eh, a "desire to (politically) move from Hyde Park to Springfield" might be more accurate. I doubt Chicago's Southside is terribly supportive of gay rights.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 01:03:13 pm »

Eh. More fuel to my theory that he secretly supports gay marriage.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 01:06:11 pm »


Eh, a "desire to (politically) move from Hyde Park to Springfield" might be more accurate. I doubt Chicago's Southside is terribly supportive of gay rights.

Most blacks I knw are supportive of gay rights, except gay marriage.

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2009, 08:18:54 pm »

Shock as politician is exposed as cynical bastard.
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2009, 08:41:42 pm »

Shock as politician is exposed as cynical bastard.

I'm very pleasantly surprised. Lots of gay Democrats like to assume that people like Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Barack Obama are secretly on our side but have to oppose gay marriage publicly because of the political implications. We never have proof of their good intentions--it's wishful thinking leavened with projection. In truth, we have no good reason to think that either Clinton or Kerry truly support gay marriage, especially since it emerged as an issue after their political careers were well along and they could convince themselves they opposed it for moral reasons.

To have Obama exposed as a secret liberal on this issue is very rewarding. It confirms something a lot of people want to believe, even if it doesn't mean he'll do anything about it.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2009, 09:56:42 pm »

What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue.
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2009, 10:33:11 pm »

What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue.

I wish someone told the federal government that before DOMA
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2009, 10:35:20 pm »

What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue.

I wish someone told the federal government that before DOMA

Well that's not getting repealed for awhile unfortunately. But this is a state battle for now.
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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2009, 12:31:09 am »

Good. He did what he had to do in order to get elected. Now perhaps we can get something going here eventually...

Major same-sex marriage legislation passed under an Obama Administration? Please. Whilst I too would love to see such legislation passed within the next four years, I doubt Obama will do so. He's not a risk taker, and its already evident, thus I believe Obama will do everything he possibly can to avoid controversial issues, such as same-sex marriage legislation during his first term.
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2009, 02:36:31 am »

Damn! 1996! Can you say FF?

Of course, I understand that it would not have been politically feasible to continue to openly support gay marriage, but this merely reaffirms that Barack is a freedom fighter at heart.

The quality of a freedom fighter is not defined by what he thinks, but what he does.

I think it's better to have a president who says he opposes gay marriage but secretly doesn't, because we get boosts like him opposing Prop 8.

I mean, all candidates lie a bit.  It'd good to know for social liberals that he is more socially liberal than his campaign persona.  It affects all kinds of policy issues.
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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2009, 12:47:48 am »

Well, George Wallace was secretly on our side all along too, but had to support segregation for political purposes. I don't think that makes him any less of a HP....

Not to say this is at all comparable, but I do wish he'd have the guts to come out and say so (as long as it doesn't cost him reelection, of course Wink).
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2009, 08:14:57 pm »

What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue.

Appoint judges who support "gay marriage," and who are just as lawless as most of the past half-century's jurists.
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2009, 07:11:30 pm »

What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue.

Appoint judges who support "gay marriage," and who are just as lawless as most of the past half-century's jurists.

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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2009, 08:50:49 pm »

What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue.

Appoint judges who support "gay marriage," and who are just as lawless as most of the past half-century's jurists.

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2009, 11:57:38 am »

What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue.

He can help re-appeal  DOMA so civil unions aren't substandard to marriage.

I still see Civil Unions as the equivalents to separate but equal clauses however.

Even if right now it isn't equal.
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2009, 02:50:48 pm »

What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue.

Appoint judges who support "gay marriage," and who are just as lawless as most of the past half-century's jurists.

This is not really a response to you, but more of a semi-related question to you  that I'm asking since you're much more of a legal mind than I.

Doesn't the Constitution require that marriages from one state be recognized by all the others? Shouldn't it then be the Supreme Court's responsibility to ensure that gay marriages and civil unions from MA, VT, etc be recognized in all other states?
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