What If Game

[humder]

 One person proposes a 'what if?' question. The second person responds with their answer of what they think the alternative future would have been and they add their own 'what if?' question.

 My question is what if Obama had won the New Hampshire primary?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

He would have had an easier time winning the nomination, but it still would've gone past Super Tuesday.

Hubert Humphrey wins in 1968.

[Captain Chaos]

He would have had an easier time winning the nomination, but it still would've gone past Super Tuesday.

Hubert Humphrey wins in 1968.

1. Richard Nixon runs for President again in 1972 but Ronald Reagan wins the GOP nomination. Humphrey wins reelection in a close race.
2. The Vietnam War ends in 1969 with a peace treaty recognizing Communist control over North Vietnam and democratic control over South Vietnam. The Vietcong is required to stand down and relocate to North Vietnam. Secretary of State Averell Harriman wins the Nobel Peace Prize.
3. George McGovern runs for President in 1976 but Vice President Edmund Muskie wins the nomination and picks McGovern as his running mate.
4. Governor Jimmy Carter of Georgia is reelected in 1974 and never runs for President.

[justfollowingtheelections]

Humphrey wins Missouri, Illinois, NJ and Ohio and wins the elections with 272 electoral votes.

He immediately ends the war in Vietnam, something that he was in favor of despite what he said in public (he couldn't oppose his own president's policies).  He would have probably won again in '72 against either Rockefeller or Reagan, then Carter would win in '76 and the Republicans would make a comeback in '80 with Reagan.  In other words not much would have changed, but we would have avoided the Watergate embarrassment.

Here's my what if question:  What if Lincoln had allowed the South to secede?

[Daniel Z]

The US would be split into two countries.

What if Hitler didn't invade the soviet Union?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The U.S. draft is not renewed in the United States.
No U.S. oil embargo on Japan.
Panzerarmee Afrika begins the Seige of Cairo on December 7, 1941 o the same day as Malta falls, leading to Churchill referring to December 7 as "a date which will live in infamy" in one of his less memorable speeches.

What if John Adams had been caught by the Royal Navy while traveling to France in 1778 on the Boston and executed as a traitor?

[hcallega]

The United States government is much weaker and libertarian's like Jefferson dominate the early government and more easily defeat statists like Adams.

What if Huey Long hadn't been shot in 1936?

[bhouston79]

What if Huey Long hadn't been shot in 1936?

Things wouldn't have been all that different because Huey Long's political career was in decline by that time anyway.

Here's my question?

What would have happened if Michael Dukakis had squeaked out an electoral college victory over George H.W. Bush in 1988 by perfectly executing his 18 state strategy?

[tmthforu94]

Dukakis would have lasted for 4 years, before Dole took over in `93. Clinton would be pushed back until `01-`08. Obama would still be our current President. Bush would never be our President.

What if Romney had won the New Hampshire primary?

[RosettaStoned]

Mitt Romney goes on to win the nomination, but loses in the general election, but not as badly as McCain did.

What if Obama decided not to go into politics?

[Robespierre's Jaw]

What if Obama decided not to go into politics?

A lot of things would change, such as the re-election of Alice Palmer as the 13th District's Senator in 1996, the election of State Comptroller Daniel Hynes to the United States Senate in 2004, and most importantly the election of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008 after soundly defeating token opposition in the Democratic Primaries and Senator McCain in the General.

What if Jerry Springer, former Mayor of Cincinnati won Governorship of Ohio in 1982, after successfully winning the Democratic Nomination upon not releasing commercials where he made reference to his use "services"?

[Wakie]

What if Jerry Springer, former Mayor of Cincinnati won Governorship of Ohio in 1982, after successfully winning the Democratic Nomination upon not releasing commercials where he made reference to his use "services"?

Springer wins the election but his stint as governor is a short one.  The story breaks and he is impeached.

What if John Hinckley had succeeded in assassinating Ronald Reagan?

[Captain Chaos]

An earlier George HW Bush Presidency and he will not pick Dan Quayle (freshman Senator in 1981) as Vice President. He either picks Bob Dole or Jack Kemp.

Bush may still cut taxes but less than the level of Reagan in RL. Bush wins in his own right in 1984 but no 49 state landslide.

Bob Dole is elected President. But the economy makes him a one-term President and he loses in 1992 to Bill Clinton (no Ross Perot 3rd party candidacy).

[Kaine for Senate '18]

What happens if TR wins in 1912?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What happens if TR wins in 1912?

The United States enters World War I in the Spring of 1915.   The Fall of 1915 sees Bulgaria declare war on the Ottomans, not the Allies as they sense who the ultimate victor will be, and Rumania joins the allies a month later and a full year early for the same reasons.  By  Spring 1916, Constantinople falls to a combined Bulgarian-British advance and the Ottomans are effectively out of the war.  The Armenian Massacre is less thorough and there will be no Balfour declaration.  Indeed the war ends with an armistice in time to give Roosevelt and the Progressive Party a resounding triumph in the 1916 elections.

The Treaty of Rome sees the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires carved up differently, and no independent Poland or Polish Corridor.

By 1930, the Hashemite Kingdom of Arabia would be independent (though a client state of the British), with control of Palestine, Transjordan, Southern and Central Mesopotamia, and the Hejaz.  The Saudis would control only the Nedj, with the remainder of what we call Saudi Arabia would be split among Kuwait, Qatar, Abu Dhabi, Oman, and Yemen. France would have control of Lebanon and Syria, plus have a client state of their own in Kurdistan.

The main difference in what happens to Austria-Hungary is that Italy gains Dalmatia, Carniola remains Austrian, and of course Galicia goes to the Russians, since there is no independent Poland.

The Danes retain the Danish Virgin Islands, but the United States does gain German Samoa to give it control of all of Samoa.
What if the Hartford Convention had been held in 1813 instead of 1814?