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« Reply #5725 on: August 17, 2010, 01:36:44 pm »

I think that Americans are getting disgusted with politics of all kinds -- conservative, liberal, and Hard Right. Maybe politics can't deliver prosperity, but as the previous Administration proves, they can surely bring ruin.

If this isn't simply the news cycle, then we are in for some real ugliness in political life -- ugliness unprecedented in severity since the Civil War and in style in this country.

One of the major problem is that the majority is shifting and Obama is left (out to the left).

It is possibly a sign of a realignment (to the right).




If such is so, then all the learning, natural resources, and technology that Americans have are pearls before swine. Welcome to Weimar America.

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« Reply #5726 on: August 17, 2010, 01:44:57 pm »

I think that Americans are getting disgusted with politics of all kinds -- conservative, liberal, and Hard Right. Maybe politics can't deliver prosperity, but as the previous Administration proves, they can surely bring ruin.

If this isn't simply the news cycle, then we are in for some real ugliness in political life -- ugliness unprecedented in severity since the Civil War and in style in this country.

One of the major problem is that the majority is shifting and Obama is left (out to the left).

It is possibly a sign of a realignment (to the right).

Obama is less left-wing on economic issues than Nixon.

30 years of the Age of Reagan has really distorted the political landscape. What was once far-right is now moderate, what was once center-right is now center-left, etc.
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« Reply #5727 on: August 17, 2010, 01:46:29 pm »

I think that Americans are getting disgusted with politics of all kinds -- conservative, liberal, and Hard Right. Maybe politics can't deliver prosperity, but as the previous Administration proves, they can surely bring ruin.

If this isn't simply the news cycle, then we are in for some real ugliness in political life -- ugliness unprecedented in severity since the Civil War and in style in this country.

One of the major problem is that the majority is shifting and Obama is left (out to the left).

It is possibly a sign of a realignment (to the right).




If such is so, then all the learning, natural resources, and technology that Americans have are pearls before swine. Welcome to Weimar America.



No, welcome to populist/libertarian America.
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« Reply #5728 on: August 17, 2010, 01:49:51 pm »

Obama is less left-wing on economic issues than Nixon.

30 years of the Age of Reagan has really distorted the political landscape. What was once far-right is now moderate, what was once center-right is now center-left, etc.

No nominee for president since 1984 was to the left of the GOP nominee in 1976.  The reason?  We had a re-alignment centering on 1980 (1978-84).  It moved the county to the right.

This one, if it is happening, might move the county very far to the right.
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« Reply #5729 on: August 17, 2010, 01:51:20 pm »

Obama is less left-wing on economic issues than Nixon.

30 years of the Age of Reagan has really distorted the political landscape. What was once far-right is now moderate, what was once center-right is now center-left, etc.

No nominee for president since 1984 was to the left of the GOP nominee in 1976.  The reason?  We had a re-alignment centering on 1980 (1978-84).  It moved the county to the right.

This one, if it is happening, might move the county very far to the right.

If we move much further to the right we might as well have a fascist country.
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« Reply #5730 on: August 17, 2010, 02:14:03 pm »

Obama is less left-wing on economic issues than Nixon.

30 years of the Age of Reagan has really distorted the political landscape. What was once far-right is now moderate, what was once center-right is now center-left, etc.

No nominee for president since 1984 was to the left of the GOP nominee in 1976.  The reason?  We had a re-alignment centering on 1980 (1978-84).  It moved the county to the right.

This one, if it is happening, might move the county very far to the right.

If we move much further to the right we might as well have a fascist country.

There is fascist and the is fascist.  If it goes where I'm thinking it will, I will probably be center-left in the re-alignment.
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« Reply #5731 on: August 17, 2010, 02:25:15 pm »

I think that Americans are getting disgusted with politics of all kinds -- conservative, liberal, and Hard Right. Maybe politics can't deliver prosperity, but as the previous Administration proves, they can surely bring ruin.

If this isn't simply the news cycle, then we are in for some real ugliness in political life -- ugliness unprecedented in severity since the Civil War and in style in this country.

One of the major problem is that the majority is shifting and Obama is left (out to the left).

It is possibly a sign of a realignment (to the right).




If such is so, then all the learning, natural resources, and technology that Americans have are pearls before swine. Welcome to Weimar America.



No, welcome to populist/libertarian America.

Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

As for your realignment theory, yes there is a realignment. Away from the two major parties that is.
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« Reply #5732 on: August 17, 2010, 02:29:55 pm »


Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, an authoritarian collectivist is the exact opposite of a libertarian. A populist is the opposite of an elitist.
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« Reply #5733 on: August 17, 2010, 02:34:29 pm »

Populists are not really libertarians... at all.  Populists prefer majority rule. Libertarians tend to keep the minorities in mind.
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« Reply #5734 on: August 17, 2010, 05:12:31 pm »


At first, I thought that was a national poll.

Below 50% in his home state...not good.

PPP did mention that they just readjusted their weighting factors for a revised expected turnout, among which Obama only won Illinois by like 4 points or something.

Same with Pennsylvania.  They say that they expected electorate in PA voted for McCain by a single point in 2008, which might be why Obama's down to 40% Approval there.
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« Reply #5735 on: August 17, 2010, 05:17:58 pm »

The truth of the comic in my signature has become more and more obvious. Obama may have a JD from Harvard, but his Presidency has shown that he's a moron.

I agree, partially.  I don't think running further to the left would have helped him out in the electorate or boosted turnout particularly, but i think his attitude about his policies has boosted cynicism among former voters.  If you're going to run on "Hope and Change" then you had better hope to change the political and legislative process rather than individual policies.
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« Reply #5736 on: August 17, 2010, 05:20:13 pm »

IL


30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green
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« Reply #5737 on: August 17, 2010, 05:22:47 pm »

The truth of the comic in my signature has become more and more obvious. Obama may have a JD from Harvard, but his Presidency has shown that he's a moron.

I agree, partially.  I don't think running further to the left would have helped him out in the electorate or boosted turnout particularly, but i think his attitude about his policies has boosted cynicism among former voters.  If you're going to run on "Hope and Change" then you had better hope to change the political and legislative process rather than individual policies.

No, you use the existing process to achieve a chosen agenda.
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« Reply #5738 on: August 17, 2010, 05:23:03 pm »


Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least.  

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That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan.  
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« Reply #5739 on: August 17, 2010, 05:24:28 pm »

The 1st gives you the right to practice your religion not WHERE to practice your religion. Do you oppose zoning laws? Would you oppose putting a porn shop in a neighborhood next to an elementary school?

So in terms of impact on a community, "mosque" = "porn shop".

Thank you States, for being so open in exposing this issue as just plain anti-Muslim bigotry from the right.

"We conservatives know not all Muslims in America are al-Queda sympathizers, buuuuttttt......."
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« Reply #5740 on: August 17, 2010, 05:32:03 pm »

Just as a note, Obama's recent drop in approval seems to be coming mostly from the 18-34 demographic.

In Illinois, that group Approves of him by only 45-43, in PA it's 47-47, and even though they didn't poll Obama directly in Colorado, that group is Hickenlooper's worst, disapproving of him 39-45 and supports him in a 3-way race by only 10 points compared to his 25 point edge overall. (All 3 PPP)

Gallup has Obama down to 46% Among them last week too.  For the group that voted for Obama by such huge margins, this is a pretty big drop.
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« Reply #5741 on: August 17, 2010, 05:59:34 pm »

The 1st gives you the right to practice your religion not WHERE to practice your religion. Do you oppose zoning laws? Would you oppose putting a porn shop in a neighborhood next to an elementary school?

So in terms of impact on a community, "mosque" = "porn shop".

Thank you States, for being so open in exposing this issue as just plain anti-Muslim bigotry from the right.

"We conservatives know not all Muslims in America are al-Queda sympathizers, buuuuttttt......."

I don't get why people care at all, personally...
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« Reply #5742 on: August 17, 2010, 06:00:31 pm »

The 1st gives you the right to practice your religion not WHERE to practice your religion. Do you oppose zoning laws? Would you oppose putting a porn shop in a neighborhood next to an elementary school?

It would be a clear violation of the First Amendment to mandate that a religion be practiced only in places that its adherents find inconvenient. A law that required Jews in Michigan to build any synagogues in Kentucky would of course be un-Constitutional.

We have laws against having bars and liquor stores within certain distances of schools.   Of course, liquor does not have First Amendment protection. But religion does.

Church, temple, synagogue, mosque -- they are all equal under the law. If you disapprove of a mosque being next to a school, then you must oppose any religious building being next to any school. That implies, of course, that a Catholic Church could not have an abutting parochial school... do you agree?
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« Reply #5743 on: August 17, 2010, 06:12:30 pm »


Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least. 

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That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan. 

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons. 
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« Reply #5744 on: August 17, 2010, 06:13:29 pm »

Just as a note, Obama's recent drop in approval seems to be coming mostly from the 18-34 demographic.

In Illinois, that group Approves of him by only 45-43, in PA it's 47-47, and even though they didn't poll Obama directly in Colorado, that group is Hickenlooper's worst, disapproving of him 39-45 and supports him in a 3-way race by only 10 points compared to his 25 point edge overall. (All 3 PPP)

Gallup has Obama down to 46% Among them last week too.  For the group that voted for Obama by such huge margins, this is a pretty big drop.

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« Reply #5745 on: August 17, 2010, 06:35:42 pm »

The whole spectrum in this country is starting to get sadder and sadder....if this keeps up, Franzi would be considered an extreme leftist.Tongue
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« Reply #5746 on: August 17, 2010, 11:21:27 pm »

Ohio (Rasmussen)Sad

45% Approve
54% Disapprove

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Missouri (PPP)Sad

39% Approve
57% Disapprove

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/MissouriResults.pdf

Kentucky (Ipsos)Sad

44% Approve
55% Disapprove

The Ipsos poll of 600 registered voters, including 435 who said they were likely to vote, was taken Friday through Sunday. Interviews were conducted in English and Spanish.

The full survey of registered voters has a margin of error of 4 percentage points, while the smaller sample of likely voters has a margin of error of 4.7 percentage points.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67G4G820100817
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« Reply #5747 on: August 17, 2010, 11:48:21 pm »


Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least. 

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That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan. 

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons. 

The electorate is changing.  Looking at 1980, the people who won were very different that the people who lost in 1976.  It is more than hating the incumbents; they are starting to hate what the incumbents stand for.
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« Reply #5748 on: August 18, 2010, 12:01:36 am »

OH, KY, & MO


30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
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« Reply #5749 on: August 18, 2010, 12:27:15 am »
« Edited: August 18, 2010, 12:30:26 am by Pacific Lt. Gov The Doctor »


Isn't a populist the exact opposite of a libertarian?

No, not in the least.  

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That would be de-alignment and we are getting more partisan.  

You seriously think there will be a realignment towards Republicans when more people disapprove of their job in the congress than the Democrats? It doesn't mean the Democrats don't lose big in 2010, since they are the incumbents. But what it means is that Republican support will be very shallow and the electorate could abandon them for the slightest of reasons.  

The electorate is changing.  Looking at 1980, the people who won were very different that the people who lost in 1976.  It is more than hating the incumbents; they are starting to hate what the incumbents stand for.

If we're going to go by that, then this leads to anarchy...maybe even fascism....

This means all hell breaks lose.  And by extension, the implosion of the two party system.
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