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« Reply #1275 on: June 29, 2009, 10:52:26 pm »

Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.
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« Reply #1276 on: June 29, 2009, 11:05:42 pm »

Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.
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« Reply #1277 on: June 29, 2009, 11:18:36 pm »

Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.

Biden was born in Pennsylvania, yet Pennsylvania was not mentioned as one of the home states.
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« Reply #1278 on: June 29, 2009, 11:31:46 pm »

Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.

Biden was born in Pennsylvania, yet Pennsylvania was not mentioned as one of the home states.

Not to mention that a politician's place of birth is pretty much irrelevant. Because apparently Connecticut was a home state of Bush II, but he never won there.
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« Reply #1279 on: June 29, 2009, 11:47:44 pm »

We need to stop acting like the states that haven't voted Republican ince the 1980s provide some sort of structural advantage to Obama. The Democrats have won those states because Republican national margins have been nonexistent to narrow.

Actuallly no for instance in 1976 Ford won California inspite losing the Nation wide vote by 2%. In 1988 Bush Sr won CA by 3.5% although he won nationwide by 8. In 2004 Bush won by 2.5% and lost CA by 10%. In 2008 McCain lost by 7% and lost CA by 24%. The trend has clearly been away from us since the 80's. CA votes Dem by 17 points more then the National Average. Meaning in 2012. A Republican would have to win 58% of the vote and still could just narrowly lose it the same way Bush narrowly lost NY in 1988.

1976 R+3
1984 D+1
1988 D+4.5%
2004 D+12.5%
2008 D+17
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« Reply #1280 on: June 29, 2009, 11:48:24 pm »

Massachusetts (Rasmussen)Sad

63% Approve
36% Disapprove

This state telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters in the state of Massachusettes was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on June 24, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2010/election_2010_state_toplines/massachusetts/toplines_election_2010_massachusettes_governor_june_24_2009
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« Reply #1281 on: June 29, 2009, 11:52:11 pm »

Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.


Biden was born in Pennsylvania, yet Pennsylvania was not mentioned as one of the home states.

Not to mention that a politician's place of birth is pretty much irrelevant. Because apparently Connecticut was a home state of Bush II, but he never won there.

Of course it depends on the candidates appeal there which Bush had none. Biden's theme appealed to Pennsylvanias but its impossible to know how much of that 10 point margin is his doing.
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« Reply #1282 on: June 29, 2009, 11:55:00 pm »

Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.

Biden was born in Pennsylvania, yet Pennsylvania was not mentioned as one of the home states.

Hawaii loves Obama and they're very proud of him.
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« Reply #1283 on: June 30, 2009, 12:54:55 am »

So how do you suggest that the GOP can win back the states that the GOP hasn't won since the 1980's?

California and Vermont are just waiting for a true conservative to win the Republican nomination, hack.
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« Reply #1284 on: June 30, 2009, 03:34:12 am »

Clinton 1996:

Pennslyvania - +9
Florida - +6
Nevada - +1
Missouri - +6
New Mexico - +7
New Hampshire - +10
Ohio - +6
Arizona - +2

Gore 2000:

Pennslyvania - +4
Florida - -0.1
Nevada - -4
Missouri - -3
New Mexico - +0.1
New Hampshire - -1
Ohio - -3
Arizona - -6
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« Reply #1285 on: June 30, 2009, 09:22:45 am »

So how do you suggest that the GOP can win back the states that the GOP hasn't won since the 1980's?

California and Vermont are just waiting for a true conservative to win the Republican nomination, hack.

Wasn't John McCain a genuine conservative? Bob Dole? George H.W. Bush in 1992?

The consistencies of the Republican Party look increasingly like those that typically support fascist movements: financiers, industrialists, big landowners, racists, snobs, religious bigots, and ultra-nationalists.
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« Reply #1286 on: June 30, 2009, 10:30:26 am »

Republicans have been saying for years Perot caused Clinton's election.You have to acknoldge third party candiates cost candiates from major party states In General Election.

Keep bringing up Carter.Obama Is not Carter.A better candiate than Carter ever was.And
better President.Clinton and Bush won reelection.Although with Bush It was more an election after the supreme court stopped the recount.

On this forum I repersente the Democrats where most others are against him on this forum.I will be for Obama while many others here are for romney.

At this point in his Presidency, you would've said Carter was a great candidate and leader.

Clinton won reelection because he moved to the middle. Bush won because his opponent sucked.

Obama has some problems:

1. The chance that healthcare could fail. He and other Democrats have made this their central domestic issue. So if it fails, there will be a much greater impact than in 1992.

2. The media, which so far has been pretty nice to Obama, is starting to actually do its job and be critical. If you saw Obama's latest press conference, he seemed frustrated and dismissive towards reporters who asked hard questions.

3. All this spending could cause massive inflation in the future.

4. So far, the stimulus doesn't seem to have slowed the job loss rate. If this continues he's in big trouble.

5. He isn't being bipartisan like he said.
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« Reply #1287 on: June 30, 2009, 11:41:01 am »

2. The media, which so far has been pretty nice to Obama, is starting to actually do its job and be critical. If you saw Obama's latest press conference, he seemed frustrated and dismissive towards reporters who asked hard questions.


Yeah, very hard questions. Like the one if John McCain and Lindsay Graham's whining influenced his denunciation of the Iran violence or the other one about smoking.


LMAO!
You know, it's pretty hard to be bipartisan when the other party doesn't even hide his complete and absolute unwillingness to compromise.
Unless of course you use the David Broder definition of bipartisanship: the Democrats capitulating to every Republican demand.   
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« Reply #1288 on: June 30, 2009, 12:25:27 pm »

The biggest Myth Is the Media In the tank for Obama.Besides the weeknight prime time lineup on MSNBC you can't find any Media outlets fair to Obama.Why do you think MSNBC Is beating CNN In the raitings?

In 2005 Kerry was never given as much airtime as Mccain got and Kerry got more votes than Mccain did.

Gingrich reelected Clinton by shuting down the government and his other actions.Kerry lost due to sabatoge by Clinton people and one of the dirtiest campagins ever.

I was only 3 In 1977 so I only know Carter as President by History but keep underestimating Obama and you will regret It.
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« Reply #1289 on: June 30, 2009, 12:34:44 pm »

keep underestimating Obama and you will regret It.

I agree. I can't remember how many times I thought during the campaign that he was out...
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« Reply #1290 on: June 30, 2009, 08:38:58 pm »

Why is Hawaii mentioned?

Hawaii is not Obama's home state.

He was born there.

Biden was born in Pennsylvania, yet Pennsylvania was not mentioned as one of the home states.

The VP doesn't have the pull that the President has. That both Biden and Palin came from States with only three electoral votes suggests that they were selected for ideological purposes more than the ability to "deliver" a state. McCain could have selected well-known and well-respected Dick Lugar to "deliver" Indiana or George Voinovich to "deliver" Ohio, which were both close -- and both of which McCain lost. 

Let's take a good look at earlier VP nominees. John Edwards couldn't deliver North Carolina or any other Southern state in 2004, but Obama could win North Carolina in 2008. Go figure. al Gore picked Joe Lieberman  not so much to win Connecticut (a foregone conclusion) as to win the Jewish vote in critical states, particularly Florida or perhaps Ohio. He delivered neither, and Gore lost. Dick Cheney changed his legal residence to Wyoming, with three electoral votes never in doubt.  Such accounts for elections for Dubya.

1988-1996?  Bob Dole selected Jack Kemp with little chance of Kemp delivering New York State and 30+ electoral votes. Kemp was from the wrong part of the state, and even if he was well respected in New York, he couldn't prevent a Clinton landslide. Bill Clinton, an Arkansas politician, chose a running mate from Tennessee -- a state that generally travels politically with Arkansas due to similar demographics. Clinton chose Gore probably more for ideological compatibility than the ability to deliver what looked like a critical State (let us say Pennsylvania). Clinton/Gore did quite well, even against an incumbent President generally well-respected.  GHWB chose Dan Quayle as VP for reasons other than delivering a shaky state (Indiana was then a rock-solid GOP preserve). Whatever questions anyone could have had about Dan Quayle, one had few about Mike Dukakis' choice for VP, the well-regarded Lloyd Bentsen, Senator from Texas. Problem: GHWB was also connected to Texas, demonstrating the comparative significance of having a Presidential candidate from a State over a VP candidate from the state. GHWB won Texas, which as late as 1980 voted more than the national average for Jimmy Carter.

Not much need be said of the elections involving Ronald Reagan, so I will say little. 1976? Carter picked Walter Mondale, Senator from a State with no tendency to go Republican; Ford picked Bob Dole, a Senator from a small state unlikely to go Democratic. Ho hum.

1960-1972? Call it the Nixon era if you wish, containing one near-miss of Nixon and his two elections. Both Kennedy and Nixon sought geographic balance and draw your own conclusions. You can say little about an electoral blowout in 1964. 1968? Humphrey chose a fellow Yankee (Muskie); Nixon got Spiro T. Agnew. 1972? 1964 in reverse.   

 
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« Reply #1291 on: July 01, 2009, 03:09:37 am »

This thread is becoming such a train wreck. Good stuff!
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« Reply #1292 on: July 01, 2009, 12:59:06 pm »

This thread is becoming such a train wreck. Good stuff!

Then it's time for some new polls:

New York (Marist)

63% Excellent/Good
36% Fair/Poor

This survey of 1,003 registered voters in New York State was conducted on June 23rd through June 25th 2009.  Registered voters were interviewed by telephone in proportion to the voter registration in each county in New York and adjusted for turnout in statewide elections. Results are statistically significant at 3%. There are 441 Democrats and 281 Republicans. Results for these subsamples are statistically significant at 5% and 6%, respectively. The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/nyspolls/ny090623/Registered%20Voters/Obama%20Approval%20Rating.htm

60% of Whites approve and 78% of Non-Whites.

What is this poll made of to get 63% overall ? 95% Whites ? Tongue

Chuck Schumer's approval also looks suspicously low ...
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« Reply #1293 on: July 01, 2009, 01:02:50 pm »

New Jersey (Fairleigh Dickinson University)

61% Approve
29% Disapprove

The Fairleigh Dickinson University poll of 803 registered voters statewide was conducted by telephone from June 22, 2009, through June 29, 2009, and has a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percentage points.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/30jun/tab.html
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« Reply #1294 on: July 01, 2009, 01:20:59 pm »

Gallup
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Approve 63%(+3)
Disapprovol 30%(-2)
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« Reply #1295 on: July 01, 2009, 01:40:41 pm »

New polls today:



New York State comes down to Earth to some extent.
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« Reply #1296 on: July 01, 2009, 01:47:56 pm »

New polls today:



New York State comes down to Earth to some extent.

Hmmmm...... interesting map. I was hoping for a Maryland or Vermont poll.
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« Reply #1297 on: July 01, 2009, 01:55:37 pm »

New Survery USA 50 polls:

Approve\Disapprove

Alabama: 46\49
California: 64\32
Iowa: 57\39
Kansas: 49\49
Kentucky: 47\51
Minnesota: 59\36
Missouri: 51\45
New Mexico: 53\44
New York: 65\30
Oregon: 56\41
Virginia: 59\36
Washington State: 63\33
Wisconsin: 59\38
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« Reply #1298 on: July 01, 2009, 02:01:26 pm »

New Survery USA 50 polls:

ApproveDisapprove

Alabama: 4649
California: 6432
Iowa: 5739
Kansas: 4949
Kentucky: 4751
Minnesota: 5936
Missouri: 5145
New Mexico: 5344
New York: 6530
Oregon: 5641
Virginia: 5936
Washington State: 6333
Wisconsin: 5938


They are not "new":

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.1125
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« Reply #1299 on: July 01, 2009, 02:03:54 pm »

New Survery USA 50 polls:

ApproveDisapprove

Alabama: 4649
California: 6432
Iowa: 5739
Kansas: 4949
Kentucky: 4751
Minnesota: 5936
Missouri: 5145
New Mexico: 5344
New York: 6530
Oregon: 5641
Virginia: 5936
Washington State: 6333
Wisconsin: 5938


They are not "new":

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=91754.1125
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