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« Reply #2150 on: August 31, 2009, 02:10:50 pm »
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SurveyUSA has just released their August tracking numbers, previous month in paranthesis:

A great day for the coming Union of Christian and Corporate States, if you believe these polls:

Alabama: 40/58(42/56)
California: 62/33(66/30)
Iowa: 45/51(56/40)
Kansas: 45/51(41/53)
Kentucky: 36/61(41/55)
Minnesota: 53/44(51/46)
Missouri: 48/50(55/42)
New Mexico: 52/46(61/37)
New York: 58/38(63/34)
Oregon: 54/39(54/42)
Virginia: 42/54(44/49)
Washington: 51/46(56/41)
Wisconsin: 45/50(50/45)



They are playing for keeps this time. There won't be any elections possible to challenge the basic reality after 2012. Get your passports ready if you are a liberal or something other than a fundamentalist Christian.
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« Reply #2151 on: August 31, 2009, 02:21:15 pm »

SurveyUSA has just released their August tracking numbers, previous month in paranthesis:

A great day for the coming Union of Christian and Corporate States, if you believe these polls:

Alabama: 40/58(42/56)
California: 62/33(66/30)
Iowa: 45/51(56/40)
Kansas: 45/51(41/53)
Kentucky: 36/61(41/55)
Minnesota: 53/44(51/46)
Missouri: 48/50(55/42)
New Mexico: 52/46(61/37)
New York: 58/38(63/34)
Oregon: 54/39(54/42)
Virginia: 42/54(44/49)
Washington: 51/46(56/41)
Wisconsin: 45/50(50/45)



They are playing for keeps this time. There won't be any elections possible to challenge the basic reality after 2012. Get your passports ready if you are a liberal or something other than a fundamentalist Christian.

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« Reply #2152 on: August 31, 2009, 02:25:51 pm »

Low Obama approvals in Summer '09 will unquestionably lead to the Autumn '12 election of Mitt Romney, who will institute a fundamentalist Christian theocratic state.  With no elections.  Duh!
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« Reply #2153 on: August 31, 2009, 02:49:26 pm »

Low Obama approvals in Summer '09 will unquestionably lead to the Autumn '12 election of Mitt Romney, who will institute a fundamentalist Christian theocratic state.  With no elections.  Duh!

Isnīt the Maya calendar saying that aliens will abduct the Romney/Crist ticket in late 2012 and that the Republican world will end ?
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« Reply #2154 on: August 31, 2009, 02:51:15 pm »

Low Obama approvals in Summer '09 will unquestionably lead to the Autumn '12 election of Mitt Romney, who will institute a fundamentalist Christian theocratic state.  With no elections.  Duh!

There will be elections, but the Rove-like figures will arrange things so that there will be nothing like 2006 again. People will be able to vote 'wrong', but they will be taxed to hell while getting no public services. Democrats might win in places like the Sixteenth District of New York, and might be allowed enough leeway to win the electoral votes of places like Rhode Island and Vermont, and successors of Charlie Rangell and Maxine Waters might give  stirring speeches about the responsibilities of the government to the poor -- but it will be about as irrelevant as speeches in the Volkskammer of the old DDR (East Germany) from the tolerated opposition parties that "knew their places" in the "socialist" order. GWB-like figures will run the country into the ground until gross diplomatic blunders put a dictatorial America at war with entities like the EU, Russia, Japan, or China with the likely end of the order.

American wages and working conditions will be abysmal -- the sorts that encourage Americans to emigrate for better opportunities. The fastest-growing job category will be "domestic service". Peonage will be the normal relationship between management and capital. Children will be educated to believe that the most rapacious plutocrats are the most generous benefactors possible, and that such is the Will of God.
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« Reply #2155 on: August 31, 2009, 02:56:04 pm »

By the "Rove-like figures," I presume you mean Mormons?

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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« Reply #2156 on: August 31, 2009, 02:57:39 pm »

By the "Rove-like figures," I presume you mean Mormons?

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

I don't think that Karl Rove is a Mormon. His religious heritage means little in view of his ruthlessness.
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« Reply #2157 on: August 31, 2009, 03:17:58 pm »

It may also be time for Obama to make an effort to rebuild the Bill Clinton coalition. It is time that he starts appearing in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma -- yes, Oklahoma with its two fascist Senators -- and telling people in states that rejected him so thoroughly in 2008 what they have to gain from liberalism.  Visiting states that were on the margin in 2008 may not be enough. He surely maxed out in places like Indiana and North Carolina, and he won't be able to count on them in 2012.

It's time for him to bring out the fact that poverty greatly reduces not only the quality of life, but also the length of life, and that poor whites and poor blacks in fact have something in common. Poor people are cheated in America, whatever their region and ethnicity.

Obama may not be the model of a fiery populist -- but he might be wise to prepare to become one just to push his favored programs -- the ones that will have him remembered as a great figure in American or a tantalizing figure in American history.
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« Reply #2158 on: August 31, 2009, 03:20:40 pm »

Alan Keyes will be the next President of the United States of America.
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« Reply #2159 on: August 31, 2009, 03:35:02 pm »

It may also be time for Obama to make an effort to rebuild the Bill Clinton coalition. It is time that he starts appearing in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma -- yes, Oklahoma with its two fascist Senators -- and telling people in states that rejected him so thoroughly in 2008 what they have to gain from liberalism.  Visiting states that were on the margin in 2008 may not be enough. He surely maxed out in places like Indiana and North Carolina, and he won't be able to count on them in 2012.



Obama has ZERO chance in any of those states you listed with the exception of maybe Texas.
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« Reply #2160 on: August 31, 2009, 03:51:59 pm »

Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?
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« Reply #2161 on: August 31, 2009, 03:53:41 pm »

Democrats have a serious choice to make.  Will they simply cut Obama off from them much like they did to Carter in 1978 and blur the differences between themselves and Republican on most issues, or will they tie themselves to him, hoping that he recovers? 

Democrats do have a serious choice to make. They either support the president's "investment" strategy on healthcare, education and energy or they don't. I mean what have Republicans to offer beyond "austerity" and $3 trillion in new tax cuts biased in favor of, surprise, surprise, the wealthy

The political 'problem' with the "investment" strategy, of course, is that much of it is short on reaping instant fruits. Nevertheless, there is no doubt in my mind that investment and a tax policy that rewards WORK and job creation is the way forward

Obama may yet still prove to be an effective president when it comes to the economy and jobs, but I don't see him being a transformational president unless he liberates himself from the "cult of neoliberalism" - that has reigned supreme with near catastrophic consequences - and starts championing the virtues of positive freedom over the vices of negative freedom

Capitalism needs to work for the well-being of all - and the fact that it hasn't of late (obviously, given that median incomes have fallen under George W Bush) - has only contributed to the severity of this recession. The spiralling costs of healthcare, for a start, can only have suppressed wages for millions of Americans. The middle class are the backbone of the economy and it is they, through consumer spending, who drive economic growth and spur job creation. I doubt its by "luck", that in the post-Depression era, it has been Democrats, rather than Republicans, who have tended to preside over more robust economic growth and job creation, as well as a more even rise in prosperity across all income quintiles. Policy preferences, surely, affect outcomes

That said, there just isn't any realistic going back to pre-Reagan tax rates; a welfare policy that was perceived as rewarding idleness over work, and that is where the Democratic Party went wrong in that it served to alienate much of the white working class, one of the founding pillars of the 'New Deal' coalition, into the arms of the Republicans; or a mixed economy

Maybe Independents, right now, are weary of all the spending, but it's pretty clear to me that government activism, through the AERRIA and TARP - and yes, I'm giving George W Bush some credit here - may well have prevented a reprisal of the 'Great Depression'. Would they have preferred that I wonder?

Surprising, as it may seem, I don't think the president is a state of terminal decline ... yet.

Nevertheless, this president is going to have to make tough choices on taxes and on spending that GWB neither had the sense nor the guts to confront. Any one can cut taxes; politically, I can't think of anything easier to accomplish, but raising them, however modestly, is going to take guts. The right decisions to make are not always, by any means, going to be the most popular ones

As far as healthcare reform goes, the public option is a hard sell given the deficit, and if that means, the libertarian-left non-profit "cooperative" plan or Wyden-Bennett getting a closer look then so be it. The president has his goals, expanding coverage to the uninsured and reducing costs, and he has set the fiscal parameters, deficit neutrality and no tax increases on those earning less than $250,000. He's not George W Bush, and he "gets it" that programs just can't be run-up on tick ... the never-never. I'm only dismayed with Democrats because they failed to achieve "unity" - on the best way forward - in caucus before any of it reached committee stage in the House. Division and disarray as only served to help the Republicans

Part of me would like to see a public option, if only to prove the lies, smears and scares coming from those invested, for stank political reasons, in it failing. Salivating at the thought of a re-run of 1994, no doubt. Moderate Republicans seem are scared sh*tless of seeking common ground out of fear from retribution from the dogmatoid Right

Still, there could be several factors driving a fall in Obama's approvals other than the economy. Could be the perception that the war in Afghanistan isn't going too well or it could be the decision to investigate CIA "abuses" - and I have strong reservations about that. Bush has gone, what happened under his watch happened - but, in all fairness to the man, there were no more 9/11's. All that should have done was draw a line in the sand - and move on

As far as 2012 goes, as a rule, voters vote prosperity. Shame they rolled the die on that back in 2000 Roll Eyes. Well, most Americans didn't but that's another story ...

Nevertheless, this president deserves his fair shot. He wasn't bequeathed the best of starting points on which to build. And as the ol' saying goes "Rome [the economy] wasn't built in a day". If he's held to the same standard as Reagan, he'll start owning the economy from around the end of the Q1 2010. The rightwing dogmatoids, of course, started to blame Obama... well the day after he was elected, just as they were blaming Jimmy Carter for Reagan's woes long beyond the date their "sainted-one" took office. Speaking of Reagan, he actually signed off on tax increases in six of his eight years as president, alarmed by the deficits his supply side tax cuts spurred. It was them very same tax cuts that were supposed to see the economy grow by 5% in 1982, when in fact, it contracted by 2.2%

Republicans aren't the daddies when it comes to economic growth, jobs and prosperity

It may also be time for Obama to make an effort to rebuild the Bill Clinton coalition. It is time that he starts appearing in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma -- yes, Oklahoma with its two fascist Senators -- and telling people in states that rejected him so thoroughly in 2008 what they have to gain from liberalism.  Visiting states that were on the margin in 2008 may not be enough. He surely maxed out in places like Indiana and North Carolina, and he won't be able to count on them in 2012.

It's time for him to bring out the fact that poverty greatly reduces not only the quality of life, but also the length of life, and that poor whites and poor blacks in fact have something in common. Poor people are cheated in America, whatever their region and ethnicity.

Obama may not be the model of a fiery populist -- but he might be wise to prepare to become one just to push his favored programs -- the ones that will have him remembered as a great figure in American or a tantalizing figure in American history.

Obama needs to champion WORKFARE, rather than WELFARE, if he is to reach those voters given that it was the perception that welfare rewarded idleness over work that drove much of the white working class (one of the founding pillars of the 'New Deal') into the arms of the Republican Party, the tax policy of whom in the post-Reagan era, has been one of WEALTHFARE
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« Reply #2162 on: August 31, 2009, 03:54:45 pm »

Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?
yes I think him and a blue dog ala Ben Nelson will challenge Obama
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« Reply #2163 on: August 31, 2009, 04:07:00 pm »

Does anyone else think that a Dennis Kucinich run is possible?
yes I think him and a blue dog ala Ben Nelson will challenge Obama

If the Democratic Party chooses to cannibalize itself like it did in 1968 and 1980, it would lose the presidency in 2012

Besides isn't a bit early to be writing the president off seven months into his presidency?

On economic and quality of life issues, I've every confidence. He's a Democrat
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« Reply #2164 on: August 31, 2009, 04:09:02 pm »

Zogby Interactive

Approve 42%
Disapprove 48%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1737
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« Reply #2165 on: August 31, 2009, 04:11:58 pm »

It may also be time for Obama to make an effort to rebuild the Bill Clinton coalition. It is time that he starts appearing in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma -- yes, Oklahoma with its two fascist Senators -- and telling people in states that rejected him so thoroughly in 2008 what they have to gain from liberalism.  Visiting states that were on the margin in 2008 may not be enough. He surely maxed out in places like Indiana and North Carolina, and he won't be able to count on them in 2012.



Obama has ZERO chance in any of those states you listed with the exception of maybe Texas.

He has a chance in Indiana and North Carolina, but Texas is more likely than any of the Clinton-but-not-Obama states.
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« Reply #2166 on: August 31, 2009, 04:18:06 pm »

The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.
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« Reply #2167 on: August 31, 2009, 04:19:08 pm »

Why are you guys so fascinated by this? It's like taking photos of a plant growing every day and analyzing them. It's completely irrelevant without some time between data.
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« Reply #2168 on: August 31, 2009, 04:20:23 pm »

The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.
No Democrat actually believes those things besides pbrower.
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« Reply #2169 on: August 31, 2009, 04:24:44 pm »

The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.
No Democrat actually believes those things besides pbrower.

He probably believes Diebold rigged the 2004 election too.
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« Reply #2170 on: August 31, 2009, 04:29:28 pm »

The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.

It's the ones after 2012 that would be rigged.
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« Reply #2171 on: August 31, 2009, 04:31:50 pm »

The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.

It's the ones after 2012 that would be rigged.

Wow. Congrats you reached my levels of stupidity.
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« Reply #2172 on: August 31, 2009, 04:33:59 pm »

The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.

It's the ones after 2012 that would be rigged.

Wow. Congrats you reached my levels of stupidity.

Your opinion matters.
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« Reply #2173 on: August 31, 2009, 04:41:40 pm »

The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.

It's the ones after 2012 that would be rigged.

Ah, I see. So what happened in 2006 and 2008? The Republicans had no problems rigging the 2000 and 2004 elections. Why did they rest on their laurels in 2006 and 2008?
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« Reply #2174 on: August 31, 2009, 04:44:37 pm »

The things being posted in this thread remind me of why no matter how far left I move on some issues, I will never be able to become a Democrat. A Corporate and theocratic state will come in 2012 because the election will be rigged? When someone basically comes out and says that the only legitimate elections are those won by Democrats, then I tune them out.
No Democrat actually believes those things besides pbrower.

He probably believes Diebold rigged the 2004 election too.

No. Kenneth Blackwell, Secretary of State in Ohio in 2004. Add to that a smear campaign that incorporated forgeries, including one putting John Kerry and Jane Fonda in the same place at the same time (lighting patterns indicate a forgery due to light striking them from different directions) and a campaign of manipulation of fear of international terrorism.

Obama played a beat-the-cheat strategy and won in 2008.

I simply have no faith in any honor of the Hard Right in America -- people who act as if Niccolo Machiavelli were a Founding Father.
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