NY-20 Special Election

[ucscgaldamez]

It's over for Tedisco:

Another blow to the Tedisco campaign: A Dutchess county judge ruled this afternoon that most of the 1,200 challenged absentee ballots were cast legally, and will need to be included in the count.   Since Tedisco's campaign has objected to a majority of these ballots, Murphy is expected to further increase his lead as they are counted.


Saratoga County has completed its count of the absentees, but there are still about 700 challenged ballots in the county that may end up being included in the count.  Many of those challenges have been lodged by the Tedisco campaign and are unlikely to significantly close his deficit.

And there are still additional absentee ballots left to be tallied in Columbia, Dutchess and Warren Counties – all counties that Murphy carried on Election Night.

Tedisco’s campaign was hoping to take over the lead once the absentee ballots from Saratoga County were included in the count. 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/

[Nhoj]

im now willing to say tedisco has pretty much no chance.

[Zarn]

We're a republic.

There is no contradiction.

That's not what democracy means.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

A representative republic would have Minnesota getting equal representation to all the other states, and NY-20 to all other districts. Coleman is thwarting the former, and Tedisco may try to thwart the latter.

[Verily]

We're a republic.

There is no contradiction.

That's not what democracy means.

It certainly is. This was a public vote, which is democracy. Now, the governmental system is republican, not democratic. But the elections are democratic as the people are the ones doing the voting. A republican electoral system wouldn't make any sense; what would that even mean? The Electoral College might be a kind of republican electoral system, I suppose, as could be the election of a Prime Minister in parliamentary systems of government, but certainly standard elections are not.

[Zarn]

We're a republic.

There is no contradiction.

That's not what democracy means.

It certainly is. This was a public vote, which is democracy. Now, the governmental system is republican, not democratic. But the elections are democratic as the people are the ones doing the voting. A republican electoral system wouldn't make any sense; what would that even mean? The Electoral College might be a kind of republican electoral system, I suppose, as could be the election of a Prime Minister in parliamentary systems of government, but certainly standard elections are not.

Democracy has nothing to do with electing anyone. Democracy is more direct in its approach, and would not be bound by any set of laws. Republics and constitutional monarchies are bound by law.

BTW, I never said Coleman should not concede. I actually think he should.

[Lunar]

Gillibrand's ballot is valid too.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/new-york-case-law-says-gillibrands-ballot-is-valid-even-if-gop-claim-is-true.php

What matters is that she intended not to be in the district during election day when she requested the absentee, not whether she actually was.

[JohnnyLongtorso]

Gillibrand's ballot is valid too.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/new-york-case-law-says-gillibrands-ballot-is-valid-even-if-gop-claim-is-true.php

What matters is that she intended not to be in the district during election day when she requested the absentee, not whether she actually was.

Oh no, not voter intent again!

[Lunar]

Gillibrand's ballot is valid too.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/new-york-case-law-says-gillibrands-ballot-is-valid-even-if-gop-claim-is-true.php

What matters is that she intended not to be in the district during election day when she requested the absentee, not whether she actually was.

Oh no, not voter intent again!

Well, it's not exactly voter intent   The merits of the quality of her excuse to request an absentee ballot are weighed by whatever official/bureaucracy is in charge of that sort of thing at the time of the request, not when counting the votes.  Once the ballot is mailed, the excuse for requesting the absentee is already valid, says the rules.

[cinyc]

A representative republic would have Minnesota getting equal representation to all the other states, and NY-20 to all other districts. Coleman is thwarting the former, and Tedisco may try to thwart the latter.

New York is not Minnesota.  There's not much to fight over, and dragging this out won't work.  The most Tedisco can do is appeal that judge's decisions two levels - and even those courts will expedite things.  It's all over but the official results.

[Lunar]

also no one cares if Pelosi gets one more vote

[Alcon]

We've seen a last-minute veer in this race before, those final precincts coming in far more strongly for Murphy than we had expected.

That's different though.  You can have a few polling places outstanding, with multiple precincts each.  And ballots aren't "clustered" like that in this scenario.  And...

[minionofmidas]

We've seen a last-minute veer in this race before, those final precincts coming in far more strongly for Murphy than we had expected.

That's different though.  You can have a few polling places outstanding, with multiple precincts each.  And ballots aren't "clustered" like that in this scenario.  And...

Oh yes. But you know I know that. I was just caveatting around.

[Nhoj]

murphy is now up 167.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Tedisco now has about as much chance as Coleman.

[The Mikado]

also no one cares if Pelosi gets one more vote

One more vote?  Remember that this is a Democratically-held seat.  By winning, the Dems just break even.

[Smash255]

also no one cares if Pelosi gets one more vote

One more vote?  Remember that this is a Democratically-held seat.  By winning, the Dems just break even.

One more vote than they have now, since the seat has been vacant for the past few months.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

This one is over, Murphy won. Hopefully the courts don't hold it up for the next few months like they're doing to Franken. Crazy Tedisco is suing to be seated, based upon the principle that he must have won, he's the Republican.

[Tender Branson]

4678 of about 6700 absentee ballots have been counted so far.

Murphy has won 53% of them so far.

Tedisco would need to win roughly 55% of the remaining 2000 ballots to pull ahead again.

[cinyc]

4678 of about 6700 absentee ballots have been counted so far.

Murphy has won 53% of them so far.

Tedisco would need to win roughly 55% of the remaining 2000 ballots to pull ahead again.

With the bulk of those absentees out from Columbia and Warren Counties, the odds of that happening aren't good.  The objected-to ballots in Saratoga shouldn't be anywhere close enough for Tedisco to take the lead again, let alone win when the Columbia votes come in.

[ucscgaldamez]

New numbers:


Murphy +264

Murphy 79,722
Tedisco 79,458

[Landslide Lyndon]

New numbers:


Murphy +264

Murphy 79,722
Tedisco 79,458

"Landslide" Scott goes to Washington.

[Lunar]

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COLUMBIA COUNTY — 20th Congressional District candidate Republican Jim Tedisco submitted a petition to the Dutchess County Supreme Court Thursday asking the judge to declare him the winner of the extremely close special election race, despite the numbers currently being in favor of his opponent, Democrat Scott Murphy.

According to The Associated Press, Murphy leads Tedisco by 178 votes district wide — 79,452 to 79,274. The only ballots that have not been counted are those challenged by each candidate’s lawyers, and while Tedisco’s office has said the challenges are roughly evenly split between the two camps, Columbia County lawyers for Murphy have only challenged 22 ballots, while Tedisco’s have challenged 258.

Tedisco is also asking the court to authorize recanvasing of all machine ballots to acquire the “proper” tallies. He would like them to reassess the validity of absentee votes already counted, and keep ballots challenged by Tedisco unopened. County Board of Elections Democratic Commissioner Virginia Martin said this new development could result in the election taking quite a bit more time to be decided. She would not venture a guess on how long it will be before the 20th District has a representative in congress.

[Rowan]

He's living in Bizzaroworld.

[You kip if you want to...]

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COLUMBIA COUNTY — 20th Congressional District candidate Republican Jim Tedisco submitted a petition to the Dutchess County Supreme Court Thursday asking the judge to declare him the winner of the extremely close special election race, despite the numbers currently being in favor of his opponent, Democrat Scott Murphy.

According to The Associated Press, Murphy leads Tedisco by 178 votes district wide — 79,452 to 79,274. The only ballots that have not been counted are those challenged by each candidate’s lawyers, and while Tedisco’s office has said the challenges are roughly evenly split between the two camps, Columbia County lawyers for Murphy have only challenged 22 ballots, while Tedisco’s have challenged 258.

Tedisco is also asking the court to authorize recanvasing of all machine ballots to acquire the “proper” tallies. He would like them to reassess the validity of absentee votes already counted, and keep ballots challenged by Tedisco unopened. County Board of Elections Democratic Commissioner Virginia Martin said this new development could result in the election taking quite a bit more time to be decided. She would not venture a guess on how long it will be before the 20th District has a representative in congress.

Assemblyman, you're no Norm Coleman.