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« on: September 29, 2004, 08:45:46 AM »

sone guy was on abc news the other night and he said that he can get the draft underway in three months.

Would that guy happen to have been Charlie Rangel (D- New York)?  There isn't going to be a draft.  I think we are going to take a seperate, long-term approuch in Iran, unless they get aggressive.
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2004, 10:47:13 AM »

why do you guys oppose a draft?  If we're going to actively eject despots all over the world who might try to get access to WMD or nuclear weapons, we're going to have to have more people in the army.  Shouldn't everyone be required to fight for their country.  I think it's only fair.  

Anyone who supports our current foreign policy should CERTAINLY support a draft.  Frankly, I oppose our current foreign policy, but I don't necessarily oppose a draft.  If we live in such a great country, why shouldn't we have compulsory service for it?

Your argueement is fine, except that it has one major flaw.  You seem to assume that it is unfair that people sit at home while those who volunteered go and do what they volunteered to do.  Why is this?

Certainly, if there is ever a need for a draft, I would support such an effort, but there is no foreseeable need for one at the present time.  Hell, if the draft ever came back, I would go and volunteer myself, just so that I could choose which branch I wanted to go into (probably the Navy).  

Another dimension to this issue that I rarely hear being dicussed is the fact that, if we had a national draft, the quality of the average soldier would go way down, because you would be bringing in non-volunteers.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2004, 03:53:59 PM »

why do you guys oppose a draft?  If we're going to actively eject despots all over the world who might try to get access to WMD or nuclear weapons, we're going to have to have more people in the army.  Shouldn't everyone be required to fight for their country.  I think it's only fair.  

Anyone who supports our current foreign policy should CERTAINLY support a draft.  Frankly, I oppose our current foreign policy, but I don't necessarily oppose a draft.  If we live in such a great country, why shouldn't we have compulsory service for it?

Your argueement is fine, except that it has one major flaw.  You seem to assume that it is unfair that people sit at home while those who volunteered go and do what they volunteered to do.  Why is this?

Certainly, if there is ever a need for a draft, I would support such an effort, but there is no foreseeable need for one at the present time.  Hell, if the draft ever came back, I would go and volunteer myself, just so that I could choose which branch I wanted to go into (probably the Navy).  

Another dimension to this issue that I rarely hear being dicussed is the fact that, if we had a national draft, the quality of the average soldier would go way down, because you would be bringing in non-volunteers.

I think national service should ALWAYS be required, whether needed by the army or not.  People don't all have to be soldiers, but some form of service to one's country might actually be a good thing for young people to do, in my opinion.

My point wasn't only about fairness with respect to soldiers themselves, but fairness in that people benefit as citizens being required to give back.  

Of course conservatives will oppose this as increasing the size of government, but being a liberal that doesn't bother me at all.

Government, however maligned, has done a LOT of good for us.  I think it can do even more good.

Okay, I'll buy that.  I don't nessesarily agree with it, but it sounds resonable.
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