NBC News and Fox News

[Derek]

The state of Ohio was called as it should have been. The other networks refused to announce it in order to cause Bush to give his acceptance speech the next day at 3p.m. while everyone was at work instead of at the end of the election night or just before midnight. The mainstream media hates the GOP and MSNBC made an executive decision to move to the left about a year later. The candidates actually get the results before the news networks anyways so it's not like Bush or Kerry were waiting in suspense. Kerry didn't want to give Bush the full feeling of being reelected either and he was too much of a wimp to come out and admit defeat.

[Derek]

The state of Ohio was called as it should have been. The other networks refused to announce it in order to cause Bush to give his acceptance speech the next day at 3p.m. while everyone was at work instead of at the end of the election night or just before midnight. The mainstream media hates the GOP and MSNBC made an executive decision to move to the left about a year later. The candidates actually get the results before the news networks anyways so it's not like Bush or Kerry were waiting in suspense. Kerry didn't want to give Bush the full feeling of being reelected either and he was too much of a wimp to come out and admit defeat.

Then why did some networks call NV (ABC, CNN), but not OH?  After 2000, Kerry didn't want to concede so fast.  In the end, a reversal in OH would have put Kerry over the top. 

Bush didn't need Nevada to win and could've still won without it. Everything hinged on Ohio. Kerry maybe a dork, but he's not stupid and knows damn well Gore wasn't as close as perceived in FL and that there wasn't a single real problem with counting votes in 2000. Sure, he played that card to gain sympathy from moderates and the press, but the fact of the matter is Kerry knew 2000 wasn't as close as the democrats want you to believe. From my recollection, NV was called by everyone and Ohio was called by anyone who mattered.

[Derek]

The state of Ohio was called as it should have been. The other networks refused to announce it in order to cause Bush to give his acceptance speech the next day at 3p.m. while everyone was at work instead of at the end of the election night or just before midnight. The mainstream media hates the GOP and MSNBC made an executive decision to move to the left about a year later. The candidates actually get the results before the news networks anyways so it's not like Bush or Kerry were waiting in suspense. Kerry didn't want to give Bush the full feeling of being reelected either and he was too much of a wimp to come out and admit defeat.

Then why did some networks call NV (ABC, CNN), but not OH?  After 2000, Kerry didn't want to concede so fast.  In the end, a reversal in OH would have put Kerry over the top. 

Bush didn't need Nevada to win and could've still won without it. Everything hinged on Ohio. Kerry maybe a dork, but he's not stupid and knows damn well Gore wasn't as close as perceived in FL and that there wasn't a single real problem with counting votes in 2000. Sure, he played that card to gain sympathy from moderates and the press, but the fact of the matter is Kerry knew 2000 wasn't as close as the democrats want you to believe. From my recollection, NV was called by everyone and Ohio was called by anyone who mattered.

Gore won the popular vote in 2000...The people who wanted Albert Gore to be President outnumbered those who wanted George Bush to be President.

Al Gore "lost" by 537 votes.  I find it hard to believe that 537 Jewish retirees in West Palm Beach would vote for an anti-semite like Pat Buchanan instead of Gore.

You know everything don't you LMAO! You have no proof or basis to call Pat Buchanan an anti-semite. There were thousands of people who may have meant to vote for Gore but were "mislead" by the ballots, but if that's the case then they shouldn't be voting anyway. If anything, they should have ridden the bus with Jesse Jackson that day in Philadelphia so they could have been supervised. Bush won by far more than 537 votes in FL and if you believe Gore won the PV then know that in the western panhandle of FL there were more than enough votes to give Bush the PV nationally but their polls closed over confusion caused by the liberal media. Stop drinking the cool aid. Stop quoting your liberal friends. This is America where elections are decided by a majority of people in a majority of states rather than majority rules. This gives people in your state a greater say than people in Wyoming.

[Derek]

It's ok just so you learn lol.

[Derek]

this forum is off subject now

[Derek]

The state of Ohio was called as it should have been. The other networks refused to announce it in order to cause Bush to give his acceptance speech the next day at 3p.m. while everyone was at work instead of at the end of the election night or just before midnight. The mainstream media hates the GOP and MSNBC made an executive decision to move to the left about a year later. The candidates actually get the results before the news networks anyways so it's not like Bush or Kerry were waiting in suspense. Kerry didn't want to give Bush the full feeling of being reelected either and he was too much of a wimp to come out and admit defeat.

Then why did some networks call NV (ABC, CNN), but not OH?  After 2000, Kerry didn't want to concede so fast.  In the end, a reversal in OH would have put Kerry over the top. 

Bush didn't need Nevada to win and could've still won without it. Everything hinged on Ohio. Kerry maybe a dork, but he's not stupid and knows damn well Gore wasn't as close as perceived in FL and that there wasn't a single real problem with counting votes in 2000. Sure, he played that card to gain sympathy from moderates and the press, but the fact of the matter is Kerry knew 2000 wasn't as close as the democrats want you to believe. From my recollection, NV was called by everyone and Ohio was called by anyone who mattered.

Gore won the popular vote in 2000...The people who wanted Albert Gore to be President outnumbered those who wanted George Bush to be President.

Al Gore "lost" by 537 votes.  I find it hard to believe that 537 Jewish retirees in West Palm Beach would vote for an anti-semite like Pat Buchanan instead of Gore.

You know everything don't you LMAO! You have no proof or basis to call Pat Buchanan an anti-semite. There were thousands of people who may have meant to vote for Gore but were "mislead" by the ballots, but if that's the case then they shouldn't be voting anyway. If anything, they should have ridden the bus with Jesse Jackson that day in Philadelphia so they could have been supervised. Bush won by far more than 537 votes in FL and if you believe Gore won the PV then know that in the western panhandle of FL there were more than enough votes to give Bush the PV nationally but their polls closed over confusion caused by the liberal media. Stop drinking the cool aid. Stop quoting your liberal friends. This is America where elections are decided by a majority of people in a majority of states rather than majority rules. This gives people in your state a greater say than people in Wyoming.

Those polls never closed. Jesus do you actually believe this stuff that you say?

Which polls are you referring to?

[Derek]

The ones on the panhandle didnt close and hour early, but yes the networks should have never called a state with polls still open.

And Bush would've won that state 51-47 and had the popular vote.

[Derek]

We thats debatable, just like everything in florida for that year. The butterfly ballots, hanging chads, 10,000 black voters struck from the rolls, Nader on the ballot and 90,000 votes and the list goes on.

Yes but all of those other things actually happened as they did. There wasn't anyone or anything disturbing the natural order of the election process that caused the butterfly ballots. Ralph Nader being on the ballot isn't any different than Ross Perot being on a ballot.

[Derek]

Lol and as far as Bush giving his acceptance speech, Most every one is bed at 3 a.m. and wouldnt have heard it so thats a lame excuse about him having to give it at 3 p m. It was still close I remember sitting there at 5 A.M when they called it screaming NOOOOOOO, THIS CANT BE RIGHT, HOW DID THIS IDIOT WIN AGAIN, WE CANT BE THIS DUMB!!!!!!

You sound off the hinges. Your sentence about 3a.m. and 3p.m. doesn't make any sense nor are you specific about what you mean. At 3p.m. everyone is at work so they don't hear it then either.

[Derek]

No one would hear it at 3 a.m. because the would be asleep.

Yes and Fox called it at midnight. The people who run for office get their information well ahead of the media too so that means that prior to midnight both Bush and Kerry would've been informed on Ohio. The media wanted to drag it out so that Bush couldn't give his acceptance speech that night. If he had he would've looked unsportsmanlike.

[Derek]

No one would hear it at 3 a.m. because the would be asleep.

Yes and Fox called it at midnight. The people who run for office get their information well ahead of the media too so that means that prior to midnight both Bush and Kerry would've been informed on Ohio. The media wanted to drag it out so that Bush couldn't give his acceptance speech that night. If he had he would've looked unsportsmanlike.

Well genius most ppl dont trust fox news,  there a bunch of right wing nut jobs and the associated press the oldest news network in America didnt call it till late in the morning, and btw they were ones who never called florida either way in 2000.

There you go again. People do trust Fox News and that's why they watch it more. Look at Fox's ratings and compare them to the other news networks. Not only are they trusted but they also are more in touch with the average person. If they weren't in touch, then people would disagree and not watch. Oldest and most ideological if you ask me when regarding Cable Bull S....

[Derek]

Ya they get a larger share because normal people split there news watching between cnn msnbc and headline news, duh anyone can figure that out. Average person? Really? Most people are not right wing nut jobs, and btw you are not Ronald Reagan.

No one watches CNN except for retirees in nursing homes and no one watches MSNBC except college kids who want to watch Dateline.

[Derek]

I'm 100% correct. I'm allowed to have my own views.

[Derek]

I'm 100% correct. I'm allowed to have my own views.

Sure they come straight from Bill O'reilly, your not smart enough to come up with anything on your on.

You are making things up as you go now.

[Derek]

No I am not the crap you post is deranged bs that you hear from fox news.

Fox News is the first news network not to have a left wing political agenda too.

[Derek]

No I am not the crap you post is deranged bs that you hear from fox news.

Fox News is the first news network not to have a left wing political agenda too.

Correct it has a right wing political agenda.

Your point? Alot of people already understand what's going on and don't need the cable media to feed them an agenda. Fox gives conservatives a place to call home.

[Derek]

And your one of them, you have no clue about whats going on.

I am more informed than anyone who watches anything else. Besides cable news is outdated. In today's times text updates and the internet are more efficient.

[Derek]

And your one of them, you have no clue about whats going on.

I am more informed than anyone who watches anything else. Besides cable news is outdated. In today's times text updates and the internet are more efficient.

For some reason, it's very hard to believe that.

Oh well if you find it hard to believe then I guess it has to be that way right.

[Derek]

And your one of them, you have no clue about whats going on.

I am more informed than anyone who watches anything else. Besides cable news is outdated. In today's times text updates and the internet are more efficient.

For some reason, it's very hard to believe that.

Oh well if you find it hard to believe then I guess it has to be that way right.

Yeah, I guess it does have to be that way.

Fox called the election because they didn't want to help the democrats paint another conspiracy theory about Bush winning an election. MSNBC had yet to move to the left.