Opinion of the Dresden Bombings

[GMantis]

Pointless and cruel.
However, the exaggeration and misuse of the events by Neo-Nazis is also quite disgusting

[GMantis]

Since BRTD hasn't answered yet

Yeah, it's called working.

As for the question, I basically echo GMantis' comments.

I'd reply further to your ridiculous "mental map", but unfortunately my lunch break doesn't offer me enough time to bring up all the counterexamples. I'll just say that if you look at my posting history you'll see I have been critical of many British actions in Ireland, the Black and Tans come up as a key example, and some things actually contradict this simplistic process, such as criticizing actions by both Israel and Hamas. And I have never said that any group of people should be "bombed into the Stone Age" as you did with the Serbs.

You should really keep citing that one time I was extremely angry and being clearly hyperbolic, and I will continue to cite the 1,000+ times you have said the things you have said.

The burning of the US embassy made you want the same thing you are denouncing here?
You have some serious anger issues. And remember, the Germans in 1945 were far more deserving of the collective punishment you demanded for the Serbs.

[GMantis]

Since BRTD hasn't answered yet

Yeah, it's called working.

As for the question, I basically echo GMantis' comments.

I'd reply further to your ridiculous "mental map", but unfortunately my lunch break doesn't offer me enough time to bring up all the counterexamples. I'll just say that if you look at my posting history you'll see I have been critical of many British actions in Ireland, the Black and Tans come up as a key example, and some things actually contradict this simplistic process, such as criticizing actions by both Israel and Hamas. And I have never said that any group of people should be "bombed into the Stone Age" as you did with the Serbs.

You should really keep citing that one time I was extremely angry and being clearly hyperbolic, and I will continue to cite the 1,000+ times you have said the things you have said.

The burning of the US embassy made you want the same thing you are denouncing here?
You have some serious anger issues. And remember, the Germans in 1945 were far more deserving of the collective punishment you demanded for the Serbs.

Uh... no.  Shut up, fool.  You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Then, instead of insulting me, would you mind enlightening me. The way you behave makes it seem as if you have no serious arguments.
What I see here are massive double standarts, but perhaps you have an explanation for them.

[GMantis]

Pointless and cruel.
However, the exaggeration and misuse of the events by Neo-Nazis is also quite disgusting

Why do they exaggerate the figures and so on anyway? A form of muted Holocaust-denial?

Basically, yes. They exaggerate the casualties of the Dresden bombings and downgrade the casualties of the holocaust until they are similar or even fewer and then claim that Germany was really a victim of the allies.

[GMantis]

Since BRTD hasn't answered yet

Yeah, it's called working.

As for the question, I basically echo GMantis' comments.

I'd reply further to your ridiculous "mental map", but unfortunately my lunch break doesn't offer me enough time to bring up all the counterexamples. I'll just say that if you look at my posting history you'll see I have been critical of many British actions in Ireland, the Black and Tans come up as a key example, and some things actually contradict this simplistic process, such as criticizing actions by both Israel and Hamas. And I have never said that any group of people should be "bombed into the Stone Age" as you did with the Serbs.

You should really keep citing that one time I was extremely angry and being clearly hyperbolic, and I will continue to cite the 1,000+ times you have said the things you have said.

The burning of the US embassy made you want the same thing you are denouncing here?
You have some serious anger issues. And remember, the Germans in 1945 were far more deserving of the collective punishment you demanded for the Serbs.

Uh... no.  Shut up, fool.  You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Then, instead of insulting me, would you mind enlightening me. The way you behave makes it seem as if you have no serious arguments.
What I see here are massive double standarts, but perhaps you have an explanation for them.

My anger was geared toward their massive rage over Kosovo's independence, and their own denial.  The Serbs have never owned up to their own crimes.  If they had, we never would have had to bomb them to get them to kick out Milosivic, and they woulnd't whine so loudly about to prospect of an independent Kosovo.  My anger was over that.  Had nothing to do with anything even remotely close to what is being talked about now, and had you been here, rather than just followed BRTD's lead, then you would know that.

The bombing of Serbia had nothing to do with the Serbs refusing to own up to their crimes, but due to NATO's decision to intervene in an internal conflict. Milosevic removal wasn't directly connected with the Kosovo war, and would probably have fallen anyway.
Whining is a strange word to use, considering that no one recognized their own separatist states, though they weren't very different from Kosovo in regards to ethnic cleansing.
In any case, none of the nations which participated in the Yugoslav wars have owned up to their crimes either: witness, for example the cult surrounding Ante Gotovina.
So, all in all, after being singled out for nearly 17 years and having a territory, which they regard as an ancestral homeland, being declared independent, contrary to all international practice, I would say that being angry is a reasonable reaction.
I agree that this has nothing to do with the current topic, but it struck me as incongruous how little sympathy you dispayed towards the Serbs, while condemning the same thing they were subjected to.

[GMantis]

It was a show of force, an attempt to crush morale through the dying nation likely in the hope of ending the war a little sooner. Heavily bombing Serbia led to the rise of a rebellion and the fall of Milosevic. While the event was an inescapable tragedy, this was a time of massive war and destruction, death and massacre. To ask this is to ask whether the nuclear attacks on Japan were really necessary. They killed many innocents and severely injured countless more, but they helped end the power through a show of massive force.

Even if one didn't know that the Americans had never experienced aerial bombings of their cities, statements like this would immediately indicate it.

[GMantis]

You have to understand that for Russians this photograph symbolises the victory over the greatest theat that Russia ever faced, achieved at terrible cost and after the country suffered horrible destruction. I'm not saying that it is the correct attitude, but one must not forget about the historical significance of the picture.

[GMantis]

You have to understand that for Russians this photograph symbolises the victory over the greatest theat that Russia ever faced, achieved at terrible cost and after the country suffered horrible destruction. I'm not saying that it is the correct attitude, but one must not forget about the historical significance of the picture.

Russia deserved everything it got as well. I feel no sympathy for either the Nazis or Soviets.

They deserved to have their country destroyed without provocation and to incur 10 million civilian casualties?

[GMantis]

You have to understand that for Russians this photograph symbolises the victory over the greatest theat that Russia ever faced, achieved at terrible cost and after the country suffered horrible destruction. I'm not saying that it is the correct attitude, but one must not forget about the historical significance of the picture.

Funny, I fail to note the resemblance between this photo and that one.

Funny, I didn't know that this was Stalin's idea.

[GMantis]

You have to understand that for Russians this photograph symbolises the victory over the greatest theat that Russia ever faced, achieved at terrible cost and after the country suffered horrible destruction. I'm not saying that it is the correct attitude, but one must not forget about the historical significance of the picture.

Russia deserved everything it got as well. I feel no sympathy for either the Nazis or Soviets.

They deserved to have their country destroyed without provocation and to incur 10 million civilian casualties?

LOL. Stalin was a mass murderer as well. Still a Soviet apologist I see.

You know very well that Hitler attacked the Soviet Union not because Stalin was a murderer, but because he wanted to expand Germany's Lebensraum. Nor did Stalin give any cause for a German attack; he at least confined his mass murders to the Soviet Union and he did everyting possible to dissuade the Germans from attacking.
And if not being happy about the enormous destruction the Germans carried out in the Soviet Union makes me a Soviet apologist, then I'm a Soviet apologist and proud of it.

LOL. Stalin was a mass murderer as well. Still a Soviet apologist I see.

And yet it wasn't mass murderers that were killed. I guess it's justifiable if it "hurt" Stalin.

Under your premise killing German soldiers would have been wrong as well.

Killing soldiers and killing civilians are different things, though because they were led by a communist and were Russians, you probably regard their killing as a good thing. Despite your lack of sympathy about the Nazis, you approach them rather closely in sentiment.

[GMantis]

There's a statue of Bomber Harris in London. One of these days I intend to do some serious damage to it.

Sad.

I don't see why killing a large amount of civilians and destroying large amounts of architectural landmarks entitles you to having a statue.