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Question: The Better System?
Deregulated Capitalist Economy   -12 (21.4%)
Regulated Capitalist Economy   -14 (25%)
Mixed Economy   -22 (39.3%)
Socialist Economy   -8 (14.3%)
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« on: March 14, 2009, 04:28:37 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 04:34:49 pm »
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A mixed economy, of course.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2009, 04:39:06 pm »
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Deregulated Capitalist Economy
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2009, 04:39:48 pm »
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neither one nor four have ever existed and 2/3 are the same thing.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2009, 04:44:42 pm »
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neither one nor four have ever existed and 2/3 are the same thing.

Yes, that is true, but ideally what would you like?


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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2009, 04:45:21 pm »
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neither one nor four have ever existed and 2/3 are the same thing.

Yes, that is true, but ideally what would you like?


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Should we get rid of the US Postal Service and the Fire Department?
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2009, 04:46:39 pm »
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neither one nor four have ever existed and 2/3 are the same thing.

Yes, that is true, but ideally what would you like?


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Should we get rid of the US Postal Service and the Fire Department?

No. That is not what I meant.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2009, 04:46:46 pm »
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2009, 04:53:44 pm »
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What is the difference between a 'regulated capitalist economy' and a 'mixed economy'?  Aren't the two roughly the same?
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2009, 04:57:37 pm »
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What is the difference between a 'regulated capitalist economy' and a 'mixed economy'?  Aren't the two roughly the same?

I guess the only distinction one could make between the two is that in the former, there are simply basic regulations and supervision over private businesses and little to no public/nationalized institutions, and in the latter there are large public/national institutions that operate simply for the public good (like the Post Office, Fire Department, things like the Tennessee Valley Authority, etc) and regulation goes simply beyond "basic."
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2009, 05:01:45 pm »
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I'd guess a mixed economy.
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2009, 05:04:34 pm »
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What is the difference between a 'regulated capitalist economy' and a 'mixed economy'?  Aren't the two roughly the same?

I guess the only distinction one could make between the two is that in the former, there are simply basic regulations and supervision over private businesses and little to no public/nationalized institutions, and in the latter there are large public/national institutions that operate simply for the public good (like the Post Office, Fire Department, things like the Tennessee Valley Authority, etc) and regulation goes simply beyond "basic."

Thanks!

Well, given the definitions, I'd pick option 2.  The only time I would favor any government takeovers of privately-owned businesses would be during an economic crisis (aka, the Great Depression or today's unusually severe global recession), and then only with the assumption that such takeovers would be temporary once the crisis had passed.  
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2009, 05:15:48 pm »
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     Would an unregulated capitalist economy still have a night watchman state? Or would it be more like true anarcho-capitalism?
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2009, 05:45:02 pm »
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Socialist Economy.
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2009, 05:46:56 pm »
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Regulated capitalist economy, I guess... I'm not a anarcho-capitalists by any means.
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2009, 06:51:28 pm »
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A mix of 3 and 4.
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2009, 06:53:02 pm »
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What is the difference between a 'regulated capitalist economy' and a 'mixed economy'?  Aren't the two roughly the same?

Yes, exactly. "Regulated Capitalist Economy" makes no sense.
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2009, 08:30:45 pm »
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Under my interpretation I voted regulated capitalist economy. I figured that meant something like 33% regulation  and 67% capitalism with mixed being the other way around...also, I understood this as relating to the production of goods and services, not purely redistributionist policies.
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2009, 09:03:35 pm »
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I would think mixed is more 50/50... where most utilities and infrastructure are publicly owned along with some major industries that are either public or very regulated.

Regulated capitalism is capitalism lite.  You are free to start your own business in most any industry but regulations are in place to keep businesses in check...
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2009, 01:29:05 pm »
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France (Mixed Economy)
Attlee (Socialist)

I would like something in between France and Attlee... leaning towards Attlee when necessary, and leaning toward France when 'things are going well'.

Anyway I voted Mixed Economy, but I probably should have voted Socialist.  I just want there to be, small, individually owned restaurants.
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2009, 02:25:12 pm »
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I think people are seriously misunderstanding the definition of "mixed economy." The United States even meets the definition as one.
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2009, 02:39:19 pm »
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In theory, an unregulated capitalist economy.

Unfortunately...it's naive and stupid to ever think that it would work in reality. As much as I love the market economy, it does need to be regulated to a certain extent, as in providing a safety net...health...education. These things are necessary in order to try to reach equality of opportunity.

And of course things that I don't believe would work privately....like roads....military, and other stuff that anarchists would consider privatizing.


So basically....I obviously think the market economy is the only thing that really works...but some things don't work that way...at least not for the benefit of most people.

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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2009, 03:38:00 pm »
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Regulated Capitalist Economy
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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2009, 06:49:37 pm »
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I would prefer mixed, assuming that mixed is about a 50/50 split.
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