Kerry : Tora Bora reference

[J. J.]

HELLO! Do you know any Middle Easterners? If you did, you would know that many were taken in the middle of the night away from their families, many still detained, with NO evidence against them other than being a Middle Easterner.  Many not even given trials, and if gone to trial, found innocent but still kept for other trumped up charges.

There is one guy in my city that they took away, has been found not guilty and they still have him locked up for over a year not able to see his family. A conservative federal judge declared innocent.

There are 1,000s of these stories all over the US.

1.  I have several friends who are Muslim, some that are Arab, some that are both.  No, I have not seen that.

2.  On 9/11/01, between 9:00 and 10:00 AM, I was just under 3.5 miles from the Pentagon (gallently eating breakfast at Micky D's).  I returned to my hotel, the Hilton, which overlooked the Pentagon, four miles away, and left a message on her answering machine that I was okay.  Her last name was Lakhdari; he husband was visiting relatives in Algeria at the time.  Neither I, nor either of them, were ever contacted by law enforcement, though law enforcement stationed snipers on the roof of the Hilton that night and I had to show ID to enter the building later in the day.  

Your post confict with reality.

[J. J.]

Tredrick,

I am not going to provide you with 1000 links. But I am happen to list a few for you and you can research it yourself further. I am surprised though that you have not heard about this going on.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071555/

http://www.islamonline.net/english/news/2002-03/10/article56.shtml

I took a look at the two links cited (The Socialist Workers Party organ wasn't exactly mainstream before 9/11 either).  Both cite visa violations as the reason for many if not most of the arrests.  Arresting someone for violating the law, and deporting them after due process, isn't exactly police state stuff.

The two that I looked at were from 2002.

[J. J.]

BTW, I realize that there are many Democrats/Kerry supporters out there with legitimate and rational opposition to Bush Administration policies, and with a firm grasp of reality.

You may have to put up with loony left, but we have the right wingnuts as well.

[J. J.]

JJ,

Don't you find it odd that they only enforce the 100+ restrictions of Visa's on Arab vistors, and only after 2001? Funny, how that is.

If you bothered to even read Visa restrictions you find out that about 99% of them violate at least one of them. So enforcing the law was never the issue. We have about 2-3 million illegal immigrants roaming the streets of Southwestern States.

It is obvious if you know any of these Arabs in the US that it is all BS. Many of Visa violations are also later to be found not in violation. I know that was the case in many of them.

The reason they charge with violation of the Visa is because you cannot argue against them in court, INS has total control.

No I don't find it odd at all that investigators investigating a crime, discover, in the course of that investigation, some other crime.   That, frankly, occurs a lot.

I'm also aware, as noted in the articles, that there are deportation hearings.  One of my friends has applied for assylum and is going through the process.

As I've said previously, your posts don't represent reality.

[J. J.]

This was just sooooo good, I just to quote it:

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No I don't find it odd at all that investigators investigating a crime, discover, in the course of that investigation, some other crime.   That, frankly, occurs a lot.

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Either do I. And I never asked that question.

I'm also aware, as noted in the articles, that there are deportation hearings.  One of my friends has applied for assylum and is going through the process.

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Good for him, I think.

Most my posts reflect my perception of reality. And your posts don't reflect mine. That is why everyone communicates with each other.

Things are much different in my world than in your. In your world, you cannot live on $800 a month. In mine I can. Rent is cheap, about $400 a month for a large two bedroom apartment. Parking is free. About 70% of the people over 22 in my town have at least one college degree. 10%, or about 1 in 10 has a PhD or Professional degree. You also cannot go anywhere without someone knowing who you are. And if you don't know the person next to you, someone you know knows them.

In your world it is congested, overpopulated, and more conservative. Your population is less educated. Parking is hard to find. Rent near downtown is prohibative. You would never work for less than $20 a hour. And most of all, nobody knows each other.

Your reality sucks bigtime. I like mine so much better.

In terms of world view. I think most the world 60% + agrees with me on most social issues over you.

Take Care

First, yes you did ask the question:

JJ,

Don't you find it odd that they only enforce the 100+ restrictions of Visa's on Arab vistors, and only after 2001? Funny, how that is.

You can't even keep the story in own post straight.  That little mark (?), called a "question mark," usually indicates a question.

I hate to tell you this, but in my world, in my neighborhood, if you are paying $400 for a large two bedroom appartment, you are being robbed.  The rents for houses, not appartments, in my neighborhood doesn't reach $800 per month, and of course, most people own them.  Actually, I generally have no problem parking in my neighborhood and the care is about 12 from the front door right now; I don't pay anything for it.  Like I said, your posts bear no resemblance to reality.

I don't know where your reality is; it sounds like Fantasyland, perhaps a kindgom existing only in your own mind.  Generally there is treatment for this type of perception of reality.

I really have not ask 60% of the world what they think about these "social issues."  I really don't know too many countries that say, "Oh we really want to come in here and violate our laws relating to immigration."  Would you care to name a few?  (Note the question mark.)

I am aware that the 60% of the world that you speak of is not able to vote in US presidential election.  In some countries, they can't vote in their own, just like the Iraqis couldn't, at least with a choice between competing candidates.   Don't worry, I have no plans to vote in theirs in January.

[J. J.]

JJ,

You expect the people on this forum to believe that PA rent is less than $400 a month, you are the one in need of treatment my friend.

Go here: http://www.forrent.com/search/default.asp?city=&state=PA&nearby=1&price_min=250&price_max=500&errormsg=Please%20specify%20a%20city%20and%20state%20or%20choose%20a%20metro%20area%20from%20the%20selections%20below. Find me a place under $400 a month that is 2 bedroom in the entire state?

Take Care

Sure, if you promise not to move into my neighborhood.  My landlady owns several buildings, with two bedroom apartments; rent for them is under $400.

Actually, in my neighborhood, the bidggest problem is finding a two bedroom appartment; most of the rentals are houses. One advertized in Tuesday's paper, with two bedrooms, downstairs room, a bathroom, and a basement, is $500 per month; now, of course that is about 250% the space for 125% of you want to pay.  Even in the hotly contested 13 CD (not in my neighborhood), you rent to own a three bedroom house with a yard for $650.  All of these are in the Philadelphia Inquirer Sept 28, 2004.  If you are really interested, get a copy.

It's hard to find a house for $800 per month, which is what you've claimed an apartment would cost, because they are much cheaper than that.  I'm sure the owner would let you pay them $800 per month, if you'd ask nicely.

BTW, every real estate listing is not on the web, in reality.

Once again we have Donovan's post versus reality.  Reality wins every time.  :-)