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persepolis
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« on: March 26, 2009, 04:37:15 PM »

I am glad that this proposal has an inkling of support from someone other than me. Of course, like all the other proposals, this system can certainly be tweaked to meet the needs of Atlasia. I, for one, like it, but I don't know if this is the right type of plan for the people here, considering I am relatively new.
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2009, 07:13:38 PM »

What would this plan entail for regional governments?

Regionally, I suggested there would be no Governors. I say this because I think the people could be more self governing at the regional level. This might seem hypocritical to my position that everyone should not be a part of the federal government, but it is not. The federal and state governments are separate entities, and I feel that people should have more power in the state government thant the national government. If we had more people in this simulation, then regional governments would make more sense, but as of now, I like the idea of a self-governing region.

Also, and duties normally fulfilled by the governor will be taken by one of the elected delegates of the region. My proposal also calls for cutting each region in half, leaving us with 10 regions. This way, we can have a House of 20, a Senate of 10, and a President and VP.
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2009, 07:58:11 PM »

I would probably propose keeping Governors and other regional government positions, have a 5-10 member Senate elected nationally with a Lower House composed of all regional elected officials (max 5 for each region, with which officials to be determined by each regions Constitution).

Then treat it like a US style government. Nationally elected Pres. and VP, conference for legislation, etc.

I don't like having a lower and upper house. I say we have 10 regions, house representatives allotted by population, 20 House Representatives, and 10 Senators. The House and the Senate are equal and function in the same style as the US.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2009, 08:15:57 PM »

I don't like having a lower and upper house. I say we have 10 regions, house representatives allotted by population, 20 House Representatives, and 10 Senators. The House and the Senate are equal and function in the same style as the US.

You realise that this is a bicameral model that you're advocating - quite literally, a "two house" system? The House of Representatives is a Lower House and the Senate is an Upper House.

Correct me if I am mistaken. I thought a Lower House denoted that the house is lower in stature or rank then the upper house. If that isn't true, then I take back my statements and pose another question:
Why is it called a lower house if it is equal with the the Upper House?
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2009, 10:16:32 PM »

OK, then. Apparently my bashing of the upper and lower house may have been unfounded, and I apologise for that.
However, I still think that it would be better for the game to have a two house system in which there is a little bit of competition for spots in both houses.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 12:09:48 AM »

As I mentioned in one of the other proposals, I don't think we have the number of people to make two elected houses of government. I'm sure we can be flexible, but with 10 and 20 member houses, that is 30 elected persons, plus the Pres and Vice Pres. That would probably result in the election of more than half of the citizens.

That would mean the election of the 32 most active citizens, as opposed to the handing of power to ever active citizen in the simulation.
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2009, 09:35:49 PM »

If, say, 2/3 of people are elected officials, what's the point of the other players?  What are they going to do with themselves?

Whatever people have been doing when they weren't part of the government.
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