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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2010, 09:36:39 PM »

I think you would see a replay of the federalist/anti-federalist divide.  You would have a struggle between Southern Whigs and Southern Democrats over the institutional strength of the Confederacy, (currency, standing armies, etc) and rehash of urban-rural divides.  Both would largely support slavery, with some dissent within the ranks of each. 
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« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2010, 02:09:03 PM »


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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2010, 02:12:58 PM »

Also, you'd probably have a party that would support slavery in every Confederate state, and one that would want popular sovereignty (and there'd be some debates on the Confederate constitution), one would probably favor a more centralized government.
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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2010, 04:33:23 PM »

This is assuming that the Confederacy would actually have remained and functioned with a central government. I always looked at the Confederacy as a collective reaction to the standing federal government of the United States. I would think that most of the states would have split from the Confederacy in light of its victory for fear of once again being under the jurisdiction of yet another central government.
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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2010, 07:35:29 PM »

This is assuming that the Confederacy would actually have remained and functioned with a central government. I always looked at the Confederacy as a collective reaction to the standing federal government of the United States. I would think that most of the states would have split from the Confederacy in light of its victory for fear of once again being under the jurisdiction of yet another central government.
Very possible. IIRC, Alexander Stephens actually urged Georgia to secede from the Confederacy during the Civil War.
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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2010, 07:21:38 AM »


Just ignore him. He wouldn't know a libertarian if one slapped him in the face. Which they wouldn't. Non Aggression principle and all Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2010, 09:36:39 AM »

What would the parties be in a Confederate States of America that survived the War of Northern Aggression?

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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2010, 08:19:19 PM »

Doubt there would be a serious party system. Southern white vote was/is pretty monolithic.
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« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2010, 08:01:47 PM »

Probably just Whigs and Democrats, as it had been in the antebellum period.
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« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2010, 03:55:09 AM »

Doubt there would be a serious party system. Southern white vote was/is pretty monolithic.
take a look at the voting percentages for each state in 1844, 1848 and 1980. some *very* close elections for several states across the South.   
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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2010, 12:16:10 PM »

What would the parties be in a Confederate States of America that survived the War of Northern Aggression?

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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2010, 10:10:06 AM »

Initially probably a Democratic Party and a Whig Party. The Democratic Party would be more of the poor white party, while the Whigs would be the bigger plantation farmers and city-goers (much like in the antebellum period). The Whigs would likely support greater industrialization and competition with the north for industrialization. The Democrats would be more agrarian and populist like in the Jefferson/Jackson model.

As time went on I believe that slavery would have been abolished, probably in the early 1900s when it was no longer economically practical. It also seems likely that there would be desegregation, most likely in the 1980s or '90s. At that point you would likely see the prominence of a Socialist Party that would draw African-American support.
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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2010, 03:05:04 PM »

I can see slavery lasting until the mid 20th century.
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2010, 04:24:51 PM »

The mere fact that slavery wasn't the most practical scheme financially does not lead directly to emancipation.  In fact, outside such areas as Virginia (which were undoubtedly moving towards emancipation even before the war), I think slavery might've held on for a long time after there was any real reason for it.
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2010, 04:46:06 PM »

I don't think the Confederacy would have lasted long enough to create a stable party system. The Confederates would be faced more, violent predicaments; with Georgian vs. Virginian conflicts, and Alabamans vs. Texans than Democrats vs. ___________ (insert name here).
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« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2010, 12:24:11 PM »

I don't think the Confederacy would have lasted long enough to create a stable party system. The Confederates would be faced more, violent predicaments; with Georgian vs. Virginian conflicts, and Alabamans vs. Texans than Democrats vs. ___________ (insert name here).
Exactly.  A confederacy based on States Rights would end up being as decentralized as the original thirteen states with the Articles of Confederation, to avoid individual states like Texas from seceding.  Either way, the would end up disintegrating  and the Unino would setp in to pick up the pieces.
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« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2010, 02:33:00 PM »

The mere fact that slavery wasn't the most practical scheme financially does not lead directly to emancipation.  In fact, outside such areas as Virginia (which were undoubtedly moving towards emancipation even before the war), I think slavery might've held on for a long time after there was any real reason for it.

According to the CSA constitution, if one state wanted to abolish slavery then every other state had to grant permission. This would either prolong the institution or cause a serious fracture imo...
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« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2010, 07:05:12 PM »

As it says in the end of The Last Full Measure, a confederacy would have turned into "The Kingdom of Alabama" or "The Duchy of Texas" before long. They simply did not agree on many issues outside of hating Lincoln.
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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2010, 03:47:23 PM »

I believe it would ended up being a pro-slavery party and an anti-slavery party. Also, i believe that states like NC, TN and FL would have left the CSA sooner or later.
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