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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2010, 06:38:51 AM »

Do you think some of the western states may have joined the union? For example, Oklahoma, Arizona, Kansas?
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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2010, 02:30:53 PM »

Do you think some of the western states may have joined the union? For example, Oklahoma, Arizona, Kansas?

AZ and OK were part of the territory of the Confederacy when it became independent. Kansas normally remained in the Union as IRL.
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2010, 11:56:16 AM »

Very good however there are some things I would like to point out. There would have never been a whig party, no way the democratic party would have evaporated in the south, and the confederate costitituon called for one six year term for the president so Jeff Davis would not have been there in 1874.
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« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2010, 02:48:12 PM »
« Edited: July 01, 2010, 02:49:59 PM by Antonio V »

Very good however there are some things I would like to point out. There would have never been a whig party, no way the democratic party would have evaporated in the south, and the confederate costitituon called for one six year term for the president so Jeff Davis would not have been there in 1874.

Well, the Confederat Whig party wasn't especially related with the former (and already dead at the time) whig party. As for the democratic party, since everyone in the South was a democrat, it would have made no sense to let it in that State. I didn't want the Confederacy to become a one-party State (at least not immediately).

Also, the Confederacy had a new Constitutional Convention after the war, and the Constitution which emerged was different than the initial one (everything is explained in the TL).
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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2010, 04:44:32 PM »

Very good however there are some things I would like to point out. There would have never been a whig party, no way the democratic party would have evaporated in the south, and the confederate costitituon called for one six year term for the president so Jeff Davis would not have been there in 1874.

Well, the Confederat Whig party wasn't especially related with the former (and already dead at the time) whig party. As for the democratic party, since everyone in the South was a democrat, it would have made no sense to let it in that State. I didn't want the Confederacy to become a one-party State (at least not immediately).

Also, the Confederacy had a new Constitutional Convention after the war, and the Constitution which emerged was different than the initial one (everything is explained in the TL).

Well the confederacy also was based on states rights so I dont see a national union party, and no democratic party, but still its very interesting to see someone write of  hypothetical confederate politics. Very good keep it up!!!!!!
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« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2010, 11:37:45 AM »

How long do you guys think the confederacy would have lasted? I don't see slavery lasting more than another 20 years. Not that I'm saying that's going to bring them back together, but at some point would there have been a reunion?
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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2010, 12:49:07 PM »

Here's an update, if someone is interested :


After 3 other years of NUP leadership, the economic difficulties and the popular discontent had reached new levels. In local elections, the newborn People's Party managed to take control of the Oklahoma State legislature, and prevented the NUP from having an absolute majority of seats in Texas and Arkansas (despite massive voter fraud in favor of NUP candidates). In december 1888, the Whig and PP leaderships, understanding that they shared common interests and that the only way to take back the Congress was to unite, reached an agreement for next year's elections. The two parties would form an alliance and run only one candidate for each district (the PP had a majority of dictricts in OK, AR, TX MS, AL and GA, Whigs had most of those in other States). Throughout 1889, it appeared tha the Alliance had much possibilities to take control of the House, something the government heavily feared. Eventually, the 1889 elections revealed to be a landslide for the Alliance, even managing to weaken the NUP domination in the Deep South.

The House after 1889 elections :



Alliance : 39 (64% PV)
National Union : 27 (35% PV)

The Senate after 1889 elections (light shades indicate a 2-1 split) :



National Union : 19
Alliance : 17

The Alliance saw a solid victory in the House, but failed by two seats to carry the Senate. Still, this  represented the first alternance of the Confederacy's history. In the euphoria of victory, Whig and PP leaders announced their will to extend their Alliance, caucusing together in the Congress and elaborating a common platofrm. Though there were still many differences between them (Whigs favored industrial developments while PP defended the interests of western farmers), they rapidly reached an agreement on key issue. The main points of their common platform were repealing the anti free speech laws, ensuring the respect of the Constitution (and notably of its clauses defending state's rights), increasing the government spending to improve the situation of the economy, and fighting against corruption, which was very strong in the government. However, the soon had difficulties in fullfilling their goals.

The first bill introduced in the new congress, the Freedom Act which repealed "Booth laws" and affirmed the inviolability of Freedom of Speech, face staunch opposition from all the NUP representatives, showing how polarized the country had become. Claiming that the bill was aimed to "absolve and protect the enemies of the nation", most of them accused the Alliance of being unpatriotic. president Semmes, after being advised so by NUP leaders, stated that he would veto this bill if it were to pass. this further convinced the moderate NUP congressmen to vote against it, in order not to be considered as traitors. Eventually, the bill passed in the House but failed in the senate in a very polarized 19-17 vote.

Further efforts from the  Alliance to legislate against corruption failed because of the Senate's opposition, as did the bipartisan project to reform the apportionment method in the House in order to ensure its representativity. The only (limited) success from the newborn party was an reform making  tax system more friendly to industry and less to landowners, as well as some measures to protect estern farmers. However, the economy didn't improve as expected, and poverty remained a major problem for the government. By the end of 1890, disappointment was very high in northern States, which had voted overwhelmingly for the Alliance. However, as 1892 elections aproached, the hopes to take the Senate and the Presidency gave it a new boost. Several by-elections further comforted the Alliance's majority in the House and in State legislatures, and new economic bills were successfully passed in the previous day.

However, the possibility of losing the senate and the presidency appeare unbearable to NUP leaders and the rich landowners who constitued its bases and feared to lose their power. By 1891, they became determined to take back what they considered as their property. President Semmes, who was getting old and thus falling more and more under the influence of its advisors, was told that several Alliance congressmen and leaders were organizing a conspiracy against the federal government. By April 5, 1891, an executive order (whose constitutionality was dubious), lead to the arrestation of 22 representatives, 6 senators, 46 State legislators, 3 governors and dozens of other Alliance members. The same day, massive protest movements broke out in the whole country, rapidly taking a higher importance than those of the previous decade. The Congress, with NUP now having a majority in both Houses, immediately called for a heavy military intervention to put an end to untest.

However, the Northern States, after one decade of conflicts with the Deep South, had enough of being constantly pulled away from power, and decided that it was time to leave the Confederacy. As the Cosntitution gave to any State the right to secede through a successful vote of State legislatures, Governor's signature and a plebiscite. North Carolina and Virginia were the first States to start the secession procedure in early 1892, soon followed by Tennessee, and some months later  by Arkansas and Oklahoma. The governors of those states secretly met with the Union's administration, evoking the possibility of re-joining the Union (these States had already abolished slavery by this time, and the North now was seen as more friendly to their interests than the Deep south). President Harrison, though remaining prudent on the possibility of a re-integration, made clear that he fully supported their move for secession.

While the external observers were already mocking the Confederacy with this "secession among secessionists", Atlanta didn't intend to let them do. In a speech to the nation, an old and weak President Semmes affirmed that "our nation is in danger, and must defend itself from a group of ambitious traitors, agitators and conspirators who want to rip it". This was the signal that the confederate government, despite the evident constitutionality of these procedures, was going to react from the North's secession attempt. As of July 1892, the "One nation Amendment" was introduced : it repealed the clauses regarding secession, seriously limited States Rights and legalized a posteriori the violations of civil liberties perpetrated by the government since 1891. But the most important, it gave the President the possibility to proclaim a "State of emergency" and suspend the legal functioning of institutions and assume full powers. The NUP members (the most moderates of them who had expressed disapproval for the government's action had already been arrested for "high treason") managed to have the Amendment ratified very soon (for Secessionist States, puppet legislatures had been established in Atlanta, made of NUP loyalists, while the lawful legislatures remained in charge in each State).

Events went extremely far after that. As of October, the Amendment had already passed. On september 28, President Semmes proclaimed the State of Emergency and enacted several orders to increase the size of the Confederate Army through recruiting volunatries or even non-voluntaries if necessary. The Northern states (which, after overwhelmingly favorable plebiscites through October and November, where now legally independent) responded by invading the Confederacy's territory with their national guards. The Second Civil war had begun. By March 1893, the open conflict had begun. The war didn't last for long however, as the Confederate army had become dramatically more powerful than small and disorganized national guards. Oklahoma and Arkansas had surrendered by June, Tennessee and North Carolin by July, Virginia by August. The members of their governments were all sentenced to death and executed. While initially secessionists had hoped in a military intervention of the United states, the election of James Weaver, a staunch isolationist, to the Presidency in november 1893 made it extremely unprobable. On August 25, 1893, the Confederate Government had assumed the entire control over insurgent Northern States, and this date would symbolize the end of freedom in the Confederacy.
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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2010, 09:52:32 PM »

I am really enjoying this!!!!!!! And Derek I think slavery would have been over by the 1880's, 1890's and the latest.
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« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2010, 11:07:44 AM »
« Edited: August 06, 2010, 11:09:25 AM by Antonio V »

There is not much to say about post-1893 Confederate history. After the Northern rebellion had been crushed, the Atlanta oligarchy took over those States, which were kept under a military control and without voting rights for almost one decade. When they recovered their rights, their society and politics had already become similar to those of the Deep South. Meanwhile; the constitution, while officially preserved, was Amended in a much more authoritarian and centralist way. A Council for National Integrity was established, which rapidly became the dominating power of the Confederacy. Its members were elected for lifetime by the congress, and they were in charge of electing the President, which they could depose as they wished. The CNI also exerced a control under any election, which they could nullify as they wished. Citizens that did not meet harsh property requirements were disenfranchised, so that the voters made less than 20% of the population (the wealthier). All the articles regarding the rights of the citizen were repealed. Finally, old parties were dissolved, as Whigs and Populists were accused of being traitors, as well as several moderate NUPists, which opposed the authoritarian path followed by the government since the 1880s. A unique party, the Patriot Party, was established, and any new party was deemed "unconstitutional". As a result, it is not difficult to understand that the new regime would be dominated by a small oligarchy of landowners. What was until then true for the Deep South became the general rule for the whole country. Officially, it was still a democracy. In fact, whenever the constitutional provisions were not fully sufficient to ensure a total domination, voter fraud literally ended any possibility of pluralism.

Economically speaking, the 1890s were the decade of the definitive collapse of the economy. The 1892-1893 War had achieved to ruin the country. The North's beginning industrialization was definitely blown out by Southern occupation, which pushed for plantation economy. The Union's blockade in 1902, which broke the Confederacy's already limited commercial ties with the rest of the world, had tragic consequences for the country. By 1910, the poverty rate was above 50%. The weak and struggling plantation economy couldn't ensure the Confederacy's alimentary self-sufficiency. A wealthy elite owned the vast majority of the coutry's wealth, so that the inequalities had reached unseen heigths. Despite slavery was definitely abolished by the 1890s, the blacks' condition was dramatic economically and socially. The Confederacy was a third world country, not different from other South-American oligarchies. Diplomatically, the Confederacy never managed to break its political isolation and was reduced to a few weak commercial relation with caribbean States.
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« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2010, 11:33:01 AM »


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« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2010, 03:37:03 PM »

Well, that makes at least one guy. Wink
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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2010, 09:31:01 AM »

By 1911, it appeared evident that things couldn't last anymore that way. The "rotten elite" proved unable to prevent the inexorable decadence of the country, and had actually even ceased to try. In such situation, the poupulation being left to its own devices, social unrest soon raised the level of anarchy. Mafias, dissident factions, lobbies, corrupt corporations or cooperatives proliferated, replacing a State that no longer existed. But among those particcular groups that dominated the country, one was certainly the most powerful and influent : the military. Since the 1892 war, the need of the elite to preserve their power constantly lead to an increase of its power in the state's apparate. But as it happens in many countries in this situation, the Confederate Army soon saw the development of a strong corporatist feeling : servicemen soon became a true caste, with its own solidarity, its own interests. Until the 1900s, these interests were in accord with those of the economic elite. But when they started to realize that the country was in a way to disband, they started to see the elite as a threat. Extremely patriotic, servicemen were disgusted to see those few fat cats think only to their own wealth while their country was dying.

By 1910, the decision was taken : time had come to take over the country and reestablish order and prosperity. On February 11, 1911, the Army easily entered into Atlanta, capturing and executing the President and most of CNI members. At the same time, they penetrated in the country's biggest cities and eliminated any resistence. The regime was officially abolished and a military junta was established. The Union's government, aware that the past regime had no chance to survive and having no sympathy for it anyways, was the first to recognize the new regime and to establish diplomatic relations. Presidet Roosevelt himself felt extremely confident that the times of enemity were over. The change was welcome for both countries, and most of western countries followed the Union.

The first actions taken by the new power was to emprison the most important families of the ruling class, and confiscate their wealth. While the junta had no sympathy for socialism, far from that, they considered that "unpatiotic behavior" should be punished. A moderate agrarian reform nationalized parts of the land owned by the members of the former elite, and sold a (little) part of them to peasants favorable to the regime. Finally, the army employed its considerable strength to inforce its law in the whole territory, fighting against gangs and lobbies, as well as any form of criminality. The "terror years", characterized by harsh curfews, summary trials, executions of opponents and exacerbed racism (blacks, living in an even greater destitution than poor whites, were seen as the main cause of criminality), were after all successful : by 1913 order was more or less established in the country.

After that, the junta devoted itself to the country's economic recovery. Despising the industry, the old elite had neglected it and thus retarded the country's development. During the junta years, the industry saw extremely rapid progresses, and the necessity of a massive unskilled labor force soon gave work to milions of people. The poverty was starting to diminish, and hope was back. The State administration was reorganized in a more effective (but still clientelistic) way. States were abolished and replaced by sectors ruled by State-appointed governors. In barely 5 years, more things were accomplished than in the two past decades...

Seeing these incredible results, several mebers of the junta started to call for a "normalization" of the regime, and a reconciliation with the old ruling class. By 1917, this view had prevailed in a still very conservative milieu, which had always seen is government as a provisional one, aimed to save their country from destruction. Thus, the most "radical" leaders were deposed, a general amnesty was proclaimed for "unpatriots", and the toughest anti-unrest provisions were repealed. The military retained political power, but renounced to exerce it in a too brutal way, and let the elite re-from itself. however, it was not exactly the same elite, as old plantation owner lost a great part of their power to a new rising class, made of high-ranking civil servants and bosses of the new industries, and many of them eventually joined this new class. The new Confederacy was certainly very different from the one we had known, but many problems still existed.
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« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2010, 11:16:04 AM »

Ok, so it seems that currently one person is still bothering to read this TL, and despite my efforts to keep this thread goin, it seems that it won't change. So please tell me, what the hell is the problem with my TL ? You'll sya me, maybe nobody likes it, so can you explain me why the hell each times Gporter one of his usual retarded "timelines" there are 10 persons who comment each of his posts ? If you don't like that, what about explaining why, how I could improve it, etc ? Eventually, I'd prefer to have 10 people saying "guy, your timeline sucks" rather than that. Really, every TL gets at leas one or two comment at each update, and I barely receive one every  three ! The only person who seemed to follow it somewhat regularly was a troll now banned.

I'd like at least someone to explain why he doesn't give a sh*t about this.
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« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2010, 12:09:28 PM »
« Edited: August 22, 2010, 12:12:42 PM by Vazdul »

Ok, so it seems that currently one person is still bothering to read this TL, and despite my efforts to keep this thread goin, it seems that it won't change. So please tell me, what the hell is the problem with my TL ? You'll sya me, maybe nobody likes it, so can you explain me why the hell each times Gporter one of his usual retarded "timelines" there are 10 persons who comment each of his posts ? If you don't like that, what about explaining why, how I could improve it, etc ? Eventually, I'd prefer to have 10 people saying "guy, your timeline sucks" rather than that. Really, every TL gets at leas one or two comment at each update, and I barely receive one every  three ! The only person who seemed to follow it somewhat regularly was a troll now banned.

I'd like at least someone to explain why he doesn't give a sh*t about this.

I just read it and I'm enjoying it very much. It just seems to have flown under the radar for me.
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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2010, 05:21:48 AM »

Well, probably the reason is that I don't update it very often, and thta nobody comments it. This thread goes on page 2 very quickly. Anyways, I'm glad to see I have one more reader.
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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2010, 06:20:13 PM »

I wouldn't get pissed off if nobody comments. People are lazy, people don't have much to say and people don't have the habit of responding to other people's timelines unless it's a really popular one, a really crappy one, a really hilarious one or one dealing with a popular topic. I get slightly frustrated when people don't answer my timelines or respond to my maps, but I wouldn't get angry about it.
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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2010, 06:34:28 PM »

I just discovered this and I find it fascinating. Please continue. Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2010, 12:25:30 PM »
« Edited: August 25, 2010, 12:27:50 PM by Antonio V »

Thanks all, I'm glad to see I have a couple of readers. Smiley That's enough for me to continue.


Thoughout the 1920s, the Confederacy saw an unseen (in the proper sense of the word) economic and industrial development. for the first time, the country was getting rid of its old plantation economy and starting to join the other already industrialized countries. Several commercial agreements with the Union from 1919 to 1922 resulted in a consistent lowering of the tariffs between the two countries (despite they remained pretty high), which started to trade their respective productions. This allowed the Confederacy to break its commercial isolation internationally as well as acquire the numerous raw materials it lacked. New and growing industrial companies emerged, and those who had enough money to invest in industry made enormous profits. More or less imperfectly, this wealth reflected on lower classes, which saw their poverty diminish somewhat. As said previously, the elite was more or less a new one, more cultivated and progressive than the preceding, composed mainly by government bureaucrats and industry bosses (a great part of them being former plantation owners). For the first time since at least 50 years, Confederacy seemed to have a future.

If such trend had lasted for one or two more decades, it is possible to predict that the Confederacy would have had a totally different fate. Unfortunately for it, the Great Depression ruined all these hopes. When the krach hit the Union, it took only a few day to affect the Confederacy too. All economic exchanges between the two countries almost ceased, leaving the CSA without the capaccity to supply its industries. When European countries also closed their borders, the entire confederate industry collapsed, ruining thousands of people and raising unemployment to unseen heights. By 1930, it was already above 30%, and had reached 50% in 1933. The massive lower class, which had just began to see the benefits of the economic growth, got anihilated.

Inevitably, such economic trauma couldn't not have dramatic consequences for the state of the society. Almost immediately after the economic meltdown, unrest and criminality reemerged. Soon, black market became the only way to access a certain number of goods. But besides usual petty criminality, terrorism and rebellion also was rapidly developping. In the poor countrysides of the Deep South, something never seen before was starting to emerge : pushed toward each other by destitution, poor whites and blacks were slowly placating their respective hatred. This still wasn't anything like an alliance, but the old patronizing feeling that prevailed among poor whites, who considered that "we aren't well off, but at least we're not the worse off", was fading away. People were understanding that skin color wasn't a source of privileges anymore, when you were poor. And gradually, a feeling of solidarity appeared. Poor whites and balcks associated themselves to rob the wealthier in order to feed their family, or refused to denounce each other. When the first communist groups appeared, in years 1931-32, blacks were treated as equals, and their members considered that the racial issue was a creation of capitalists in order to divide poor people. By the 1935s, those groups had taken a considerable influence in the society, committing thefts, sabotages against the regime and assassinations of wealthy landowners. Civil War reigned in the country, more than ever.

Meanwhile, the regime experienced the consequence of the state of the country. In a majority, the military leaders were corporatist conservatives, but the economic situation rendered necessary a massive public intervention. After four years of utter inaction, the junta finally decided to act : a may 1934 executive order nationalized the entirety of the industrial sector without retribution (money was worth nothing anyways), a catastrophe for its bosses, that would have lost everything. However, the past decade of economic progress had rotten the regime enough, that people who would be hurt by this order felt powerful enough to get rid of the junta. The new military coup was even quicker and easier than the 1911 one. On june 1934, the junta had been deposed (with the complicity of some of its members), its interventionist members executed, and a new regime was established.

Not very different from the preceding in its constitution, it was however dominated by a restricted number of men, all bound to the interests of the industry bosses. It was also more of an ideological regime, promoting a corporatist, racist and anti-communist propaganda. Its huge helps to the industrial sector met some success after 1935, but eventually benefitted only to the most powerful bosses. Also, the new regime, shamelessly exploited an already 75-years old enmity with the Union, using it as a scapegoat for its economic failure. Soon, hate became so strong that a warmongering rhetoric started to appear in the discourses of regime leaders, which officially nullified the Louisville treaty, talking about "punishing" the North, while the Louisville treaty was officially nullified. By the mid 1930s, the Confederacy had all the characteristics of a fascist regime.

Next : international situation in the 1930s.
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« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2010, 05:16:24 PM »

Fascist regime? This could have very interesting consequences in the coming years...

Keep it coming!
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« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2010, 11:33:59 AM »

I'm just waiting for the People's Confederacy of America to show up. Tongue

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« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2010, 07:02:19 AM »

Your're on a right track, both... Wink Now some international update.

The Confederacy obviously wasn't the only country where the Great Depression hurt the whole social and institutional order. By 1935, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Austria had fascist or similarly authoritarian regimes. In most of them, this was the combined result of a popular movement, but associated with corporate interests and fueled by red scare. Meanwhile, France and UK, the only two democracies remaining, saw also a considerable unrest. Soon, those fascist countries started to build alliances which each others in order to protect their interests. Japan, which was since several years proceeding to conquer territory in China and the rest of East Asia, also took part to this coalition. Soon, the axis Germany-Italy-Japan-Confederacy was perceived as a main threatening force for the other countries.

In Russia, after the march 1917 Revolution had overthrown the Tzarist regime, the new Government led by Kerensky saw its support increase when the peace was signed only a few weeks later. Through the 1920s, Russia saw a rapid modernization and democratization, with the development of foreign investments. However, that only made it more vulnerable when Great Depression made those investments cease. In a country where bolshevik guerrilla had always been very strong, this event was the ideal pretext for a communist takeover. In november 1930, the communists easily took control of the main centers of power in Petrograd, and by 1931 they had secured the control over the entire country, meeting few resistence. After Lenin's death in 1924, Leon Trotsky had easily taken the lead of the revolutionaries, and with the establishment of the new Communist State, he became General Secretary of the communist party. In 1933, the new regime took officially the name of Union of Socialist Sovietic Republics (USSR) and established its constitution. Despite being theorically democratic, the regime was in fact dominated by the Communist Party and its leaders. After an initially harsh period of collectivization and State monopoly, Trotsky decided to implement a New Economic Policy (NEP) more favorale to private investment. Those in the party who opposed this shift towards market economy, like Josef stalin, were either emprisoned or executed. Meanwhile, Trotsky, which was a radical supporter of the extension of communism worlwide, brought economic and material support to communist revolutionary movements in several countries like Italy, Germany, Spain, Greece, Hungary or the Confederacy. As a result, most of these parties outlawed communist parties and the USSR became even more isolated internationally.

In the late 1930s, the fascist Axis started to enact its expansionist policies. This began in 1936, with Germany remilitarizing Rhineland despite the Versailles treaty. Two years later, Germany invaded and annexed Austria, with almost no reaction from the international community. While European democracies, already traumatized by World War I, prefered to act as if nothing happened, the USA were the only country to respond firmly to the Anschluss. Since the 1934 coup in the Confederacy, President Roosevelt had grown increasingly worried by international policies, and by 1938, he had already understood that the possibility of a war was becoming inevitable. determinated to protect democracy against what he perceived as a dangerous fascist wave, hewas having a hard time trying to convince his French and British counterparts of this necessity. Three days after the Anschluss, he solemnly declared that "the United States will not accept, nor can any democratic country proud of its values, any further provocation from the fascist tyranny.". Despite Roosevelt faced some opposition from te most radical isolationists among republicans and in his own party, the public opinion had become strongly interventionist and increasingly considered fascism as a threat, a threat easily identificable with the neighboring Confederacy.

However, all this didn't discourage Hitler. Convinced that he could benefit from Europe's weakness and America's isolation to win a decisive victory, Roosevelt's discourse only encouraged him to pursue his plans. In september 1938, Germany invaded the Sudetes, and while Daladier and Chamberlain were already thinking to negociate with Germany, Roosevelt convinced them that it would be a suicide. Reluctantly, but understanding that they had no choice anymore, USA, UK and France declared war to Germany, and almost immediately, Italy, Japan and Confederacy joined Germany. The bloodiest, most global and most important conflict of all time had begun.
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« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2010, 11:26:40 AM »

Want you to know I like it and I'm following it Smiley
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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2010, 02:57:04 PM »

Awesome update! Keep it coming!
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« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2010, 04:59:28 PM »
« Edited: August 31, 2010, 05:25:42 PM by Storebought »

You've lost me after the description of 1910s Confederacy.

I see that in your timeline the Confederacy degenerates into a Spain. OK, plausible. But no way would such a ramshackle semi-dictatorship facing massive internal strife (but whites and blacks committing brigandage ... together?) wage a war against the US, not even during a depression: Mexico didn't in 1914. Quebec and Ireland didn't in 1915 or 1939. And from your own description, the Confederacy's poverty, lack of industrialization, and political corruption ranks similar to those places.

In this view, the 1930s Confederacy simply would have declared itself a non-belligerant to Germany and been more concerned with launching an anti-black pogrom to unite the white factions, as they would have done every time constitutional or military government broke down.

EDIT: Your timeline neglects to mention the discovery of oil in TX, OK, LA. That would have brought in foreign capital. Now what the Confederacy have been done with it ...
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« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2010, 04:39:35 AM »

Thanks everybody for your comments. Wink Tomorrow I will start with University so maybe I'll have a bit less time to update it, but I'll try nonetheless to keep it up regularly.

@Storebought : I know by starting this TL that I would make several mistakes, that many things would be extremely unlikely, that I would neglect several elements and so forth. I hope this hasn't turned too unrealistic, but I can tell you that I did my best to conciliate realism and interest. I hope you will still follow me despite my past and future mistakes.
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