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« on: October 02, 2004, 03:30:02 PM »

This might be a little nomorelies-ish, but it does worry me about how conservatives think Bush is so great because he always takes action and is so aggressive and all.

Would you want someone like that as President at that time? Had Bush been in office in 1962, the world probably wouldn't have seen 1963.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2004, 03:41:25 PM »

Bush is a decent talker but any action he takes is a disaster.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2004, 03:42:49 PM »

I wouldn't want him as president during any time.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2004, 04:52:45 PM »

Yes.

There is no way that he'd have backed down and that resolve from JFK got us through that one.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2004, 07:17:00 PM »

Absolutley. Bush's resolve is very simialar to that of John F. Kennedy's.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2004, 09:31:51 PM »

This might be a little nomorelies-ish, but it does worry me about how conservatives think Bush is so great because he always takes action and is so aggressive and all.

Would you want someone like that as President at that time? Had Bush been in office in 1962, the world probably wouldn't have seen 1963.

More likely that the Bay of Pigs would have gotten the needed air support and the invasion would have worked.  Cuba would be a democratic US satellite.
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2004, 09:38:06 PM »

This might be a little nomorelies-ish, but it does worry me about how conservatives think Bush is so great because he always takes action and is so aggressive and all.

Would you want someone like that as President at that time? Had Bush been in office in 1962, the world probably wouldn't have seen 1963.

More likely that the Bay of Pigs would have gotten the needed air support and the invasion would have worked.  Cuba would be a democratic US satellite.

Bingo. Kennedy practically caused the Cuban Missile Crises with the Bay of Pigs fiasco. What most Americans see as the defining moment of Kennedy's presidency was really just Kennedy covering for his earlier mistake.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2004, 09:49:31 PM »

I voted no because quite frankly, had Bush been pPresident during the Crisis he would have invaded Cuba and missiles would have started to fly.  That said, I will agree that if he had been President during the Bay of Pigs fiasco, it would have either seen him squelching it before it happened or he would have given US support from the beginning.  Had he gone forward tho, we would have been figting in Cuba for many years to come, since he and advisors would always be trying to do it on the cheap without much thought for long term planning.
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2004, 11:25:29 PM »

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Or at least the Soviet Union would not have existed.

The U.S. superiority in strategic weaponry during the 50's and early 60's was overwhelming and could afflict serious damage unto the Soviet Union. The Soviets, on the other hand, had no long-range ballistic missiles; the soviet bomber fleet was obsolete, and the Soviet submarine fleet didn't have the range to make to the U.S. coast. The only thing the Soviets had to threaten the U.S. at the time was the intermediate range ballistic missile, and the time it took to fuel and launch those missiles---said missiles would have been destroyed.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2004, 12:40:43 AM »

I voted no because quite frankly, had Bush been pPresident during the Crisis he would have invaded Cuba and missiles would have started to fly.  That said, I will agree that if he had been President during the Bay of Pigs fiasco, it would have either seen him squelching it before it happened or he would have given US support from the beginning.  Had he gone forward tho, we would have been figting in Cuba for many years to come, since he and advisors would always be trying to do it on the cheap without much thought for long term planning.

Bush waited 15 months ebtween the Axis of Evil Speech and the invasion of Iraq.  Do you really think he couldn't wait thirteen days for Kruschev to turn the boats around?
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2004, 12:45:30 AM »

Bush is steely eyed, like a hawk.  He wouldn't blink.  He would stare down Kruschev and make him turn the ships around.  No more missles in Cuba.  We win.  Crisis over.  Bush is exactly the kind of leader for a situatioin like that one.  Cowboy diplmacy.  Speak loudly and tote a big six gun.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2004, 03:52:24 PM »

Bush is steely eyed, like a hawk.  He wouldn't blink.  He would stare down Kruschev and make him turn the ships around.  No more missles in Cuba.  We win.  Crisis over.  Bush is exactly the kind of leader for a situatioin like that one.  Cowboy diplmacy.  Speak loudly and tote a big six gun.

Kennedy would be a Republican today.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2004, 09:26:30 PM »

I voted no because quite frankly, had Bush been pPresident during the Crisis he would have invaded Cuba and missiles would have started to fly.  That said, I will agree that if he had been President during the Bay of Pigs fiasco, it would have either seen him squelching it before it happened or he would have given US support from the beginning.  Had he gone forward tho, we would have been figting in Cuba for many years to come, since he and advisors would always be trying to do it on the cheap without much thought for long term planning.

Bush waited 15 months ebtween the Axis of Evil Speech and the invasion of Iraq.  Do you really think he couldn't wait thirteen days for Kruschev to turn the boats around?

Yes.  We should have waited longer so that we had enough troops in place to do the Iraq invasion right.  Instead, he followed an overly optimistic assumption of what would happen and went in.  Several of Kennedy's advisors (including most prominently LeMay, IIRC) were of the opinion that the Crisis gave the US the opportunity to invade Cuba and that we could do so without much  risk.  Given W's track record to date, had he been President, he would have used the Crisis a justification of an invasion of Cuba and not been interested in getting the missiles pulled out.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2004, 10:59:09 PM »

Bush is steely eyed, like a hawk.  He wouldn't blink.  He would stare down Kruschev and make him turn the ships around.  No more missles in Cuba.  We win.  Crisis over.  Bush is exactly the kind of leader for a situatioin like that one.  Cowboy diplmacy.  Speak loudly and tote a big six gun.

Kennedy would be a Republican today.

No, he would be a Democrat along similar lines to Joe Lieberman.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2004, 12:19:50 AM »

I voted no because quite frankly, had Bush been pPresident during the Crisis he would have invaded Cuba and missiles would have started to fly.  That said, I will agree that if he had been President during the Bay of Pigs fiasco, it would have either seen him squelching it before it happened or he would have given US support from the beginning.  Had he gone forward tho, we would have been figting in Cuba for many years to come, since he and advisors would always be trying to do it on the cheap without much thought for long term planning.

Bush waited 15 months ebtween the Axis of Evil Speech and the invasion of Iraq.  Do you really think he couldn't wait thirteen days for Kruschev to turn the boats around?

Yes.  We should have waited longer so that we had enough troops in place to do the Iraq invasion right.  Instead, he followed an overly optimistic assumption of what would happen and went in.  Several of Kennedy's advisors (including most prominently LeMay, IIRC) were of the opinion that the Crisis gave the US the opportunity to invade Cuba and that we could do so without much  risk.  Given W's track record to date, had he been President, he would have used the Crisis a justification of an invasion of Cuba and not been interested in getting the missiles pulled out.

Rumsfled's assumptions about force level were wrong, and too optimistic.  But he wanted to go in immediately after 9/11, and Bush said Afghanistan would come first.  I think Bush would have tried diplomacy first, and that the could hold his wad for 13 days because even though heeventually acceded to the Rumsfeld Cheney position, he tried the Powell position first.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2004, 12:28:06 AM »

Bush is steely eyed, like a hawk.  He wouldn't blink.  He would stare down Kruschev and make him turn the ships around.  No more missles in Cuba.  We win.  Crisis over.  Bush is exactly the kind of leader for a situatioin like that one.  Cowboy diplmacy.  Speak loudly and tote a big six gun.

Kennedy would be a Republican today.

No, he would be a Democrat along similar lines to Joe Lieberman.

No one back then supported things like Roe vs. Wade.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2004, 01:06:32 AM »

I have read a book that was released recently entitled The Kennedy Tapes: Inside the White House During the Cuban Missile Crisis
by Ernest R. May, Philip D. Zelikow


This book contained the acctual transcripts of the tapes.  What struck me about the book was that it was Kennedy, not the generals, who was determined to make a fist strike against Cuba if the Soviets did not comply.  Not only would this have been a "pre-emptive" action, but it flys totally in the face of what we have been lead to believe by the Libs all these years about Kennedy.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2004, 06:05:46 AM »

Certainly not!

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