Why Does the World Hate the US?

[Donovan]

Canadians favor Kerry 60%-30%.

Russia Favors Kerry 4 to 1

Europe favors Kerry 90%

The Middle East kills Americans when it gets a chance

"What about Poland?" I don't know, not sure what they think about us.

[Donovan]

"What about Poland?" "He forgot Poland!"

Ahh, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

That is the line that makes Kerry President.

Remember Ford's statement about the Poles? Republicans and Poland just crack me up.

Thank you for not nominating McCain and going for this mentally challenged man.

[Donovan]

Dnonvan looks like you are falling for the old "global test" crap already.  Europe loves our money like it is going out of style.  Having spent a lot of time there in the past three years, both before and after 9-11, the continental Euros want our money.  If the U.S sneezes, they catch a cold.  If we reach for our wallets, they get their noses hurt.  France's tourist industry has been down over 25% since we decided that we didn't need their permission for crap.  It is a beautiful place and I enjoy it and they are begging for our bucks.  Great cut rate hotel deals, etc, especially in the south of France.
If you decide not to move to Canada Donovan as you posted yesterday, France would be for you.  Look out...there is 13% unemployment.

Yeap, you are from Texas ain't ya?

[Donovan]

Where are those numbers coming from?

It is called a Television, also called a TV. Get one, plug it in, turn it on and watch it. PBS, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and one of those should tell you.

[Donovan]

After the terrorist attacks, the world had a lot of sympathy for the U.S.  But the President squandered that good will by bombing the wrong country.  He then went even further, declaring a war against a country that posed zero threat to the U.S., without UN approval-greatly angering not only permanent members of the Security Council, but even our closest allies in NATO.

Now, before you think I’ve gone completely nuts, let me explain.  The terrorist attacks that generated sympathy for us were the embassy bombings in 1998.  The bombing of the wrong country was Clinton’s cruise missile attack on an aspirin factory in Sudan a few years after bin Ladin had left the country.  The war against a country that posed zero threat to us was the war in Kosovo, which greatly angered both the Russians and the Chinese (of course, the Chinese didn’t get really upset until we dropped a bomb on their embassy).  Greece was bitterly opposed to the war; several other NATO nations were moderately opposed to the war and refused to assist.

I saw the anger and mistrust of the U.S. first-hand in 1999 while I was working in Trieste, Dresden, and Berlin.  Anyone who thinks this began with Bush is completely ignorant of U.S./European relations or is trying to base an attack on Bush upon fiction.

Of course 80% of the world didn't want Clinton removed from office like they do Bush.

I don't think anyone is claiming that some people don't get jelous and angry at the US throughout history. What people are pointing out is that Bush has angered even our closest allies, even Canada. "Making Canada mad at you is like having Mr. Rogers throw a rock threw your window", as Mr. Jon Steward from the Daily Show says.

Republicans can make all the excuses they want, which they are getting good at, but world opinion about the US is at an all time low. This is why I think we are having trouble getting the commitment of other nations to help out in Iraq. Nobody wants to work with Bush. I think when he is gone, other nations will be willing to help out and work with us.

[Donovan]

I would rather fight beside a Pole than a Frenchman any day.

lol, what are you doing, looking to lose the fight?  

j/k, and btw I agree with ya.

You are making Idaho look bad.

May I remind the both you that the Statue of Liberty is French. Perhaps that is why Republicans hate liberty so much.

[Donovan]

I would rather fight beside a Pole than a Frenchman any day.

lol, what are you doing, looking to lose the fight?  

j/k, and btw I agree with ya.

You are making Idaho look bad.

May I remind the both you that the Statue of Liberty is French. Perhaps that is why Republicans hate liberty so much.

You are making yourself look like and uptight moron.  For one I just had a joke in there, and two did I ever say I wouldn't fight side by side with a Frenchman?  I just said that I would rather fight side by side with a Pole.  You are preaching to the wrong person on this subject.

You know as well as I do that this was a comment meant to demean the French. I think it is wrong, and insulting to about 25% of the people living in the United States that are of French decent.

It is a common theme of Republicans to blame problems on others.

[Donovan]

Don't try to act like you know exactly what I was talking about, because you don't.

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So you are telling me what you meant to communicate was indeed actually not what you meant to communicate when you wrote those words? Interesting, confusing, but interesting that you would deliberately mislead me then get angry about me misunderstanding you.

It is a common theme of Republicans to blame problems on others.

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Has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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Yes it does, your doing it right now.

You can try all you want to whine about things you do not understand, but you won't be putting words in my mouth like that,

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I didn't put the words into your mouth. It would not be worth my time to do so. You put them there, I just quoted you.

you try to tell people what they are thinking

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Not in your case; I am trying to explain that you are not thinking at all.

Your statements about the French are hurtful, bigoted, and only serve to reflect and reinforce the negative stereotype that all Idahoans are racist, bigoted, and is the true home of the Aryan Nations.

[Donovan]

You a hoser Donovan?  eh?

Cannot tell this guy voted for Bush.

[Donovan]

Making jokes about people on the bases of race, culture, ethnic background, religion, gender, or sexual orientation is bigoted.

It was NOT funny. It is never funny to make fun of people for their culture, or race, or gender, or religion, or sexual orientation, or size for that matter.

I don't need the Aryan Nations to discriminate against someone to be the validation of something being bigoted or not. Aryans like many people that are discriminated against by other groups, Christians being one.


Second, you are incorrect about Idaho kicking out the Aryan Nations. They are still here. I use to live in Hayden just 2 miles south of their compound. Bob Butler, their fearful leader, just died, and the compound was ripped down about 4 years because they were sued for violating the civil liberties of a black teenager and his mother.  

They still exist, and their ideas are still pervasive in the state of Idaho. I was also Vice President of North Idaho College's, Human Equality Club, which was the college arm of the Human Rights Task Force, which was the group that helped hired Morris and the Southern Poverty Law Center to sue the Aryan Nations. My Professor was Tony Stewart who was leading the effort for 15 + years against the Aryan Nation.

So yes, I am very much on top of what went on with them.

Anti-Semitic jokes are not funny, Gay jokes are not funny, fat Jokes are not funny, Black jokes are not funny, Arab Jokes are not funny, Chinese jokes are not funny, and French jokes are not funny.

To me all these are offensive and bigoted. By definition of any dictionary, they are prejudiced. And If I see it, hear it, or know about it, I am going to say something in response to let that person know that it is not socially expectable and it is hurtful to people to make remarks that attack their personhood.

I am just letting you know that your COMEDY is painful and hurtful to people You can care about people and knock it off, or you can keep on being offensive to people the choice it yours.

Take Care.

[Donovan]

More important question: why does Kerry hate the US?

I don't think it is Kerry that hates the US. Remember, he signed up to go fight for the country. It was Bush that snuck out.

If putting your life on the line is not loving your country then what is?

[Donovan]

Hitler was in the German Army, but I wouldn't say he loved Germany.

Not comparing Kerry to Hitler, just showing you how flawed your logic is.

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Yes, Hitler did love his country, his mother, art, and his dog, but that is about it. That is why he wanted all that territory back that was taken after WWI. Hitler was a deranged manic, but he certainly did put himself at risk for his country as a Corporal in the German Army.  It was the reason he had the Nationalist at the front of the Name of the new party he created, in English means something like,  "Nationalist Socialist Party". His core support in his quest for power was derived from former WWI soldiers that felt they were sold out by their government and that Germany was raped by the international community and robbed of her dignity, land and property.

I would say that Hitler's obsession, or love, for his country was the reason that he took power. That and he couldn't draw well enough.

I don't know of too many world leaders that don't love their country, just a few that were forced by a monarchial system in the past maybe.

Even though I despise Bush. I do think that he loves his country. Just not enough to die for it, at least not when he was a young man, he might now.

[Donovan]

The world doesn't hate America because of Bush. That is just a lame excuse. When America does something, it drastically effects the world. When most of the European nations do something, nobody cares. That breeds a lot of resentment and hatred. Foreigners are not jealous of the USA's democracy or freedom, as American right-wingers would have you believe. They are jealous of the USA's status and power.

Baggy green,

You don't think that the World Opinion of the US has declined since the Bush Administration started?