Group Two - World Leaders Survivor - STAGE ONE COMPLETE

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Kabila

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Of all the choices, the guy from Pakistan?

Anyway, I vote for Kabila again. The Democratic Republic of the Congo isn't exactly thriving and I believe he and his dad must take some of the responsibility for that.

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Rasmussen

Huh?

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Anyway, I vote for Kabila again. The Democratic Republic of the Congo isn't exactly thriving and I believe he and his dad must take some of the responsibility for that.

Well, it's probably better right now than at any other time since the coup against Lumumba (not that that was a hard), if not since Henry Stanley came. And yes, Kabila jr must take some of the responsibility for that.

Sure, Congo has been a hell-hole for several periods. My point was not in comparison to previous incarnations of Congo but to other countries in the world. I believe it tends to rank very close to the bottom on most lists of things that are good for a society. And from what I've seen and heard of Kabila, not the greatest leader (though granted, not the worse either).

Besides, not to be colonialist, but wasn't there a somewhat decent period after the Belgians stopped being utter monsters to the blacks and uptill war broke out after WWII? I get that it probably wasn't paradise to the non-whites there, but I have the impression that it was all-right if you compare it to other places in Africa and so on. But I will grant that I haven't studied its history in-depth.

If your point is that King Leopold of Belgium back in the day out-ranks a lot of present-day dictators in horribleness, yeah, I agree. I did boycott the "Congo Museum" when I was in Brussels as a protest against their treatment of the people there.

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Why Erdogan of all people? He's at least democratically elected and a leader of a half-decent country. There are plenty of dictators still on the list, though I'm having trouble making up my mind which one to vote for...

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Besides, not to be colonialist, but wasn't there a somewhat decent period after the Belgians stopped being utter monsters to the blacks and uptill war broke out after WWII? I get that it probably wasn't paradise to the non-whites there, but I have the impression that it was all-right if you compare it to other places in Africa and so on. But I will grant that I haven't studied its history in-depth.

Not sure about that, actually. May be true. Not really my point, anyhow - I just threw "Stanley" in as an afterthought.

Yes, Congo is poor and lawless. Sure. If you want to protest that, boycott mobile phones (whose mass breakthrough wouldn't have been possible without the late 90s and early 2000s warfare there. And is what fuelled, and paid for, that war.) Don't vote off an ex-dictator who brought the first free, and more or less fair, elections ever to the place.
At least half the people on here belonged off before him.

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There's a "leader" in Somalia? News to me. Off he goes!

I've never bought a cell-phone in my life.

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Ahmed doesn't seem to be the problem in Somalia. Isn't he a voice of moderation, sort of?

I vote for Sayasone, Laos is bottom 10 in freedom of the press according to Reporters Without Borders.

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Ahmed doesn't seem to be the problem in Somalia. Isn't he a voice of moderation, sort of?

He has a voice in something?

I think Ahmed is an Islamist, might be wrong. I think the TFG allied with some less kooky Islamists.

Everyone has a voice, I never said it's heard.


Yeah, I think he's a moderate islamist. Which, realistically, is the best one can hope for in Somalia short-term.

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Daniel Ortega

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Museveni

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Sexual abuse of minor daughter clinches this one for Ortega. Sen and Museveni seem bad but not extra-ordinarily bad.

I also don't like Ortega's pretend Catholicism and pro-life position in order to win elections. BRTD will be ok with it since it's a cool Latin American Commie of course.

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Sexual abuse of minor daughter clinches this one for Ortega. Sen and Museveni seem bad but not extra-ordinarily bad.

I also don't like Ortega's pretend Catholicism and pro-life position in order to win elections. BRTD will be ok with it since it's a cool Latin American Commie of course.

Ortega at least was elected, unlike Museveni.

I beg to differ. Museveni was elected with 59% of the vote in the 2006 elections. The Supreme Court voted 4-3 for upholding the result. So, Museveni recieved a substantially larger share of the vote than Ortega did. Granted, the election was probably not entirely free. On the other hand, similiar allegiations seem to have been made against Ortega.

Sure, Ortega still wins on democraticness, but that isn't everything.

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Ortega and Museveni

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I'll give Ortega another vote to keep this going.

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Kibaki

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Ortega

But I may be convinced to go with Thaci next time.

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Voronin.

It's amusing to see BRTD vote for the democratically elected opponent of a fascist military establishment.

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Berisha

Bartumeu

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Spiric

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I'll vote for Bartemeu just to keep things remotely interesting. And also Berisha doesn't seem THAT bad.

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Well, there are still half-a-dozen nobodies left to vote off. (like that de Menezes guy who kept getting votes back in the early rounds)

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Manuel Zelaya. Corrupt, wealthy fake-leftist.

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Bartumeu

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Hubert Ingraham.

Koroma is a Mugabe-critic and has moved towards freer markets and better relations with the West.

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de Menezes