Group Five - World Leaders Survivor - STAGE ONE COMPLETE

[Gustaf]

King Abdullah can have it this round.

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I guess we can all unite against Than Shwe.

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Isaias Afewerki.

Free Dawit!

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I have changed my vote to Isaias Afewerki.

Good man. They're keeping Swedish citizen Dawit Isaac in jail for being critical of the government.

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Gadaffi

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Why do people vote for the Tunisian guy? (Zine, etc, Ben Ali). Like the other Maghreb countries Tunisia seems fairly well-managed. The Wikipedia-article seems a fair bit slanted, but if the facts are true we're talking about the most economically free, least islamist and most gender-equal arab country in the world. While the wiki-article tries to cover it, it seems like a dictatorship, but not a totalitarian one.

Yemen on the other hand is a nasty, back-wards little country where girls can marry at the age of nine.

Ethiopia seems worse though. There's a guy who looks like the devil and stands accused of genocide.

I vote for Meles Zenawi this time. 

[Gustaf]

Why do people vote for the Tunisian guy? (Zine, etc, Ben Ali). Like the other Maghreb countries Tunisia seems fairly well-managed. The Wikipedia-article seems a fair bit slanted, but if the facts are true we're talking about the most economically free, least islamist and most gender-equal arab country in the world. While the wiki-article tries to cover it, it seems like a dictatorship, but not a totalitarian one.

Banning headscarves (in parts of the country) does not make rights for women... quite the opposite, in fact.

Maybe you missed the discussion where I argued precisely that a week or so ago. Needless to say, that wasn't really what I was referring to.

Oh, and I vote for Saleh. Girls enter puberty at age 9, my ass.

[Gustaf]

Tunisia's censorship, especially internet, is some of the worst in the world.

Still Ben Ali.

And Gustaf, didn't you vote for Ortega earlier? It's a little ridiculous to vote out a democratic leader, yet argue various dictators shouldn't be voted out yet because they're not as bad as other dictators.

If there's a logic in that post, I'm not finding it. We can only vote out one person per round and group. There are several dictators not voted out every time, so arguing that one dictator should be retained in favour of voting out another is not "ridiculous." You are doing the exact same thing yourself right here, arguing that Saleh is better than Ben Ali.

If your point is that all dictators should be voted off before all democratic leaders, lol. Just in case people can't figure out on their own what a hypocrite you are:

From last time around:

Rasmussen

Immunity: Zapatero

Democratically elected PM of Denmark. Leaders of Tanzania, Lesotho, Zambia, Burundi, Niger, Mali and Senegal among those still on the list.

Junichiro Koizumi

Come on LVB (Leftist Voting Bloc)! Revenge for Schroeder!

Democratically elected leader of Japan. Again, large number of dictators left. These were just my first two hits, though.

So I had to dig up this little gem:

George W. Bush

Immunity: Chavez

Guess who was still on the list at that time? Yeah, that's right: dear old Ben Ali of Tunisia. As well as a ton of other dictators.

So don't give me that crap. I explained my reasoning in voting for Ortega in that thread anyway.

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Roindefo

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Roindefo

He doesn't really belong on here, does he?

[Gustaf]

I'll vote Preval to save Karzai, a man who seems to be doing his best with a tough hand.

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Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum - UAE

I too will vote for the upper-class bigamist who inherited his post.

Rather than a democratically elected leader anyway...

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Al-Sabah

Al-Maktoum

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Mutharika

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Ivo Sanader

Awful, disgusting, fascist, piece of sh!t country.

Sigh...
The old stupid thought about a now democratic country.

Croatia is a country which, despite tons of pandering and support from the west for who knows what reason, has refused to arrest any of its war criminals, and pretty much turned a blind eye to all of them, also doing nothing about the Ustase lovers so prevalent in its society. Look at how long Ante Gotovina was free. And since then it continues to hold up its Ustase lovers as national heroes.

Serbia is a country continued to be demonized and oppressed by the West, despite it being the country to topple and arrest Milosevic, arrested Radovan Karadzic, and continues to hunt for Mladic.

Granted Kosovo is the worst of them all, it has done more than just ignore its war criminals, it elected one PM. But he's already gone, so moot point.

Lol.

1. I guess you've never been to Croatia. I have. It's not a fascist nation.
2. You obviously have no idea what Serbia is like. Which is strange, since even someone not living in Europe should be able to see the facts for themselves in that case. Serbia remains stubbornly fascist, in spite of all that has happened.

That's not to say that Sanader is a great leader or anything. He seems more opportunist than fascist though.

[Gustaf]

Ivo Sanader

Awful, disgusting, fascist, piece of sh!t country.

Sigh...
The old stupid thought about a now democratic country.

Croatia is a country which, despite tons of pandering and support from the west for who knows what reason, has refused to arrest any of its war criminals, and pretty much turned a blind eye to all of them, also doing nothing about the Ustase lovers so prevalent in its society. Look at how long Ante Gotovina was free. And since then it continues to hold up its Ustase lovers as national heroes.

Serbia is a country continued to be demonized and oppressed by the West, despite it being the country to topple and arrest Milosevic, arrested Radovan Karadzic, and continues to hunt for Mladic.

Granted Kosovo is the worst of them all, it has done more than just ignore its war criminals, it elected one PM. But he's already gone, so moot point.

Lol.

1. I guess you've never been to Croatia. I have. It's not a fascist nation.
2. You obviously have no idea what Serbia is like. Which is strange, since even someone not living in Europe should be able to see the facts for themselves in that case. Serbia remains stubbornly fascist, in spite of all that has happened.

That's not to say that Sanader is a great leader or anything. He seems more opportunist than fascist though.

What definition of fascist are you using, Gustaf?
1. Serbia is rated as a free nation by the Freedom in the world
2. Serbia has handed over almost all war criminals requested by the Hague court
3. Serbia has held multiple free elections since 2000, and the last one was won by a pro-European party.
Have you been in Serbia or are you just repeating the anti-Serbian propaganda, with which Western Europe was fed for so many years?

I'm looking at the basic structure of Serbian politics. The word "fascist" was used a little tounge-in-cheek, but it is fascist in the same sense as, say, China, Pakistan or Russia. They retain archaic nationalist ideals and dream of empire-building.

Granted, I had forgotten about Tadic's razor-thin victory which was a positive sign. Still, the mainstream in Serbia seems decidedly, well...I think fascist is somewhat hyperbolic but still not entirely inappropriate. Croatia certainly seems to have moved on better than Serbia has from a fascist past.

As for your points, yeah, I know Serbia is not totalitarian. That wasn't really my point either. And handing over war-criminals took a war and an over-throwing of the government to bring about. The biggest party in Serbia remains, I believe, Seselj's Radical Party which is based, according to their own leader on: "Serbian nationalism, antiglobalism and Russophilia"

[Gustaf]

Nauru went from one of the world's richest countries to one of the poorest.

Marcus Stephen it is.

[Gustaf]

Nauru went from one of the world's richest countries to one of the poorest.

Marcus Stephen it is.

It's not exactly his fault. Of course, he's not doing much to improve the situation...

I know it's not exactly his fault, but it's still too bad to accept.

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Armando Guebuza. The guy is undemocratic, and an ex-socialist who made himself rich on privatizing national assets. Hypocritical socialists are the worse kind.

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Abdullah II

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Jagdeo. Some guy accused a minister of his government of having murdered someone. Jagde dismissed the allegiations and then the guy was murdered himself. Doesn't look too good.

[Gustaf]

Jagdeo. Some guy accused a minister of his government of having murdered someone. Jagde dismissed the allegiations and then the guy was murdered himself. Doesn't look too good.

Link?

Jagdeo

Read it on wikipedia.

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Abdoulaye Wade

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Sanader
Venetiaan
Wade

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Sikua