Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two (Complete)

[Associate Justice PiT]

Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva

[Gustaf]

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.

[Democratic Hawk]

Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva

[Lincoln Republican]

Lula

[GMantis]

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.

To a large extent I share Lewis' sentiment about leaders with connections with the world bank - they usually have terrible consequences in the long term.
And frankly, I hate my motives being guessed. You're not such a good mind reader. I have nothing against Muslim leaders and have no qualms about voting against orthodox christian leaders - check out who suggested that Bulgaria's prime minister be removed.

[Platypus]

GROUP A Round Forty-Five

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva -eliminated round 44
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker -eliminated round 43
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates -eliminated round 42
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

[Gustaf]

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.

To a large extent I share Lewis' sentiment about leaders with connections with the world bank - they usually have terrible consequences in the long term.
And frankly, I hate my motives being guessed. You're not such a good mind reader. I have nothing against Muslim leaders and have no qualms about voting against orthodox christian leaders - check out who suggested that Bulgaria's prime minister be removed.

I didn't really comment on your motives. But apart from your own leader (which one often tends to dislike) you've defended every orthodox Christian (or perhaps slavic, given how over-lapping these are) leader being voted off or criticized. And you have attacked most muslim leaders. Maybe it's just coincidences, but it does make for a clear pattern.

Anyway, Gruevski.

[GMantis]

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf

[big bad fab]

Baldwin Spencer

(for the same reasons as Tillman Thomas in the other group)

[GMantis]

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.

To a large extent I share Lewis' sentiment about leaders with connections with the world bank - they usually have terrible consequences in the long term.
And frankly, I hate my motives being guessed. You're not such a good mind reader. I have nothing against Muslim leaders and have no qualms about voting against orthodox christian leaders - check out who suggested that Bulgaria's prime minister be removed.

I didn't really comment on your motives. But apart from your own leader (which one often tends to dislike) you've defended every orthodox Christian (or perhaps Slavic, given how over-lapping these are) leader being voted off or criticized. And you have attacked most muslim leaders. Maybe it's just coincidences, but it does make for a clear pattern.

Anyway, Gruevski.

No, I voted for Karamanlis, Saakashvilli and Yushchenko as well. This makes it 4 out of 11 and since almost no one has voted for two of those, there isn't really a pattern of me defending Orthodox Christians leaders. About Slavic (rather stupid to say they are the same) leaders, in addition of Yushchenko and Stanishev, I've also supported the removal of the Croatian and Bosnian leaders (the later is also Orthodox). This makes it 4 out of 13 and considering that almost no one has voted for four of those, it makes seeing a pattern rather dubious.
Most of the Muslim leaders I've voted for are either dictators, corrupt monarchs and/or fundamentalists, which you know perfectly well since you voted for most of them as well. And I supported Nasheed, one of the few democratic Muslim leaders.

[Hash]

Baldwin Spencer

[Hatman 🍁]

Gruevski

[Gustaf]

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.

To a large extent I share Lewis' sentiment about leaders with connections with the world bank - they usually have terrible consequences in the long term.
And frankly, I hate my motives being guessed. You're not such a good mind reader. I have nothing against Muslim leaders and have no qualms about voting against orthodox christian leaders - check out who suggested that Bulgaria's prime minister be removed.

I didn't really comment on your motives. But apart from your own leader (which one often tends to dislike) you've defended every orthodox Christian (or perhaps Slavic, given how over-lapping these are) leader being voted off or criticized. And you have attacked most muslim leaders. Maybe it's just coincidences, but it does make for a clear pattern.

Anyway, Gruevski.

No, I voted for Karamanlis, Saakashvilli and Yushchenko as well. This makes it 4 out of 11 and since almost no one has voted for two of those, there isn't really a pattern of me defending Orthodox Christians leaders. About Slavic (rather stupid to say they are the same) leaders, in addition of Yushchenko and Stanishev, I've also supported the removal of the Croatian and Bosnian leaders (the later is also Orthodox). This makes it 4 out of 13 and considering that almost no one has voted for four of those, it makes seeing a pattern rather dubious.
Most of the Muslim leaders I've voted for are either dictators, corrupt monarchs and/or fundamentalists, which you know perfectly well since you voted for most of them as well. And I supported Nasheed, one of the few democratic Muslim leaders.

Don't get mad, I don't really mind. But Yuschenko and Saakashvili are both against slavic unification. Croatia is of course an arch-enemy of any slavic supremacist with self-respect. Greece is a lot more western than most other East European countries (they hardly even count as such).

On the other hand you defended leaders like Lukaschenko and Putin and implied support for Serbian nationalism as well. You also didn't seem like you'd mind a Russian re-conquering of Estonia very much. And you admitted to hating the Turks. All in all, it certainly paints the picture of someone with a decided miltant bent for the slavic cause (I never seriously thought it had much to do with religion, apart from in a negative sense, perhaps).

It's not that I mind, really. Most people have some such feelings. I just thought it amusing that the two of you united behind Gruevski. In BRTD's case it is clearly anti-muslim bigotry behind it.

[GMantis]

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.

To a large extent I share Lewis' sentiment about leaders with connections with the world bank - they usually have terrible consequences in the long term.
And frankly, I hate my motives being guessed. You're not such a good mind reader. I have nothing against Muslim leaders and have no qualms about voting against orthodox christian leaders - check out who suggested that Bulgaria's prime minister be removed.

I didn't really comment on your motives. But apart from your own leader (which one often tends to dislike) you've defended every orthodox Christian (or perhaps Slavic, given how over-lapping these are) leader being voted off or criticized. And you have attacked most muslim leaders. Maybe it's just coincidences, but it does make for a clear pattern.

Anyway, Gruevski.

No, I voted for Karamanlis, Saakashvilli and Yushchenko as well. This makes it 4 out of 11 and since almost no one has voted for two of those, there isn't really a pattern of me defending Orthodox Christians leaders. About Slavic (rather stupid to say they are the same) leaders, in addition of Yushchenko and Stanishev, I've also supported the removal of the Croatian and Bosnian leaders (the later is also Orthodox). This makes it 4 out of 13 and considering that almost no one has voted for four of those, it makes seeing a pattern rather dubious.
Most of the Muslim leaders I've voted for are either dictators, corrupt monarchs and/or fundamentalists, which you know perfectly well since you voted for most of them as well. And I supported Nasheed, one of the few democratic Muslim leaders.

Don't get mad, I don't really mind. But Yuschenko and Saakashvili are both against slavic unification. Croatia is of course an arch-enemy of any slavic supremacist with self-respect. Greece is a lot more western than most other East European countries (they hardly even count as such).

On the other hand you defended leaders like Lukaschenko and Putin and implied support for Serbian nationalism as well. You also didn't seem like you'd mind a Russian re-conquering of Estonia very much. And you admitted to hating the Turks. All in all, it certainly paints the picture of someone with a decided miltant bent for the slavic cause (I never seriously thought it had much to do with religion, apart from in a negative sense, perhaps).

It's not that I mind, really. Most people have some such feelings. I just thought it amusing that the two of you united behind Gruevski. In BRTD's case it is clearly anti-muslim bigotry behind it.

Frankly, when you try to guess someone else's political positions, it usually doesn't turn out well. I don't support Slavic unification in any form or Panslavism in general, I haven't defended Lukashenko, I don't support Serbian nationalism (unless Serbian nationalism means Serbians not being expelled from their homes), I don't want Estonia to be reabsorbed into Russia (unless not treating their Russians as second class citizens means re-absorption into Russia), and there is a difference between hating Turkey and the Turks.
I am slightly pro-Slavic, but only to the extent that I like people who like people speaking languages similar to my own. My attitude towards Russia is quite a separate matter.
By the way, Gruevski formed a coalition with an Albanian party. Does this look like an Islamophobe?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Gruevski

Wow, great turnout in the last round... It seems like the right finally got what it wanted. Strange things happen, isn't it ?

[JWHart]

Gruevski

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What has Gruevski done to any Muslims anyway? Nothing I've heard of, not that I know much about him in general. Fuad Sinoira is a Muslim btw if anyone remembers my dispute with Gustaf over him.

Oh and is Gustaf calling Gordon Brown some great leader? That's must explain why is so rabidly popular in the the UK after all, hahahaha.

Vote: Dean Barrow

[Gustaf]

What has Gruevski done to any Muslims anyway? Nothing I've heard of, not that I know much about him in general. Fuad Sinoira is a Muslim btw if anyone remembers my dispute with Gustaf over him.

Oh and is Gustaf calling Gordon Brown some great leader? That's must explain why is so rabidly popular in the the UK after all, hahahaha.

Vote: Dean Barrow

Yes, just like George Bush's greatness explained his record approval rating a couple of years back. Have you ever constructed an argument that makes sense?

Anyway, GMantis, I never said you were a panslavist. As I said, we all have our preferences. It just sounded funny when you and BRTD both were so surprised at people disliking Gruevski, since you both have such pet peeves going in his favour, that's all.

I think you're getting a little too upset and not really seeing my point. It is certainly not that Gruevski is an islamophobe. I know BRTD will never understand a logical train of thought so I should probably stop now before the thread gets ruined. I didn't really think you would take such offense to be honest.

[GMantis]

What has Gruevski done to any Muslims anyway? Nothing I've heard of, not that I know much about him in general. Fuad Sinoira is a Muslim btw if anyone remembers my dispute with Gustaf over him.

Oh and is Gustaf calling Gordon Brown some great leader? That's must explain why is so rabidly popular in the the UK after all, hahahaha.

Vote: Dean Barrow

Yes, just like George Bush's greatness explained his record approval rating a couple of years back. Have you ever constructed an argument that makes sense?

Anyway, GMantis, I never said you were a panslavist. As I said, we all have our preferences. It just sounded funny when you and BRTD both were so surprised at people disliking Gruevski, since you both have such pet peeves going in his favour, that's all.

I think you're getting a little too upset and not really seeing my point. It is certainly not that Gruevski is an islamophobe. I know BRTD will never understand a logical train of thought so I should probably stop now before the thread gets ruined. I didn't really think you would take such offense to be honest.

I wasn't upset. Just setting some things right.
Of course we have our own preferences. Sometimes they're not based on some overarching principle

[minionofmidas]

Gruevski.

My reason is not actually anything he's done - I just don't have a high opinion of Macedonia's level of sovereignty.

[Хahar 🤔]

Rasmussen

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Baldwin Spencer

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

For the record I likely would've voted for Gruevski if not for Gustaf getting on my case, all I can see about him is that he's from the more conservative party in Macedonia, a valid reason. But I'm stubborn like that. The counter-analogy on Gordon Brown though is comically bad since the reason for Bush's approval ratings at the time is obvious. It's not like Brown is even right-wing or anything, he's just clearly a horrible leader. It is possible for a rich country to have a crappy leader after all. If Brown is so much better than Lula and the like, it would be nice to have some actual reasoning behind it, Lula easily was reelected in democratic elections after all, yet everyone knows what's going to happen when Brown has to stand for election...

Also if he's saying that my "support" of Gruevski is based on Islamophobia yet also admits Gruevski is not an Islamophobe, I have no clue what the point is.

P.S. I had never even heard of Gruevski before this game.

[Platypus]

GROUP A Round Forty-Six

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva -eliminated round 44
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker -eliminated round 43
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski -eliminated round 45
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates -eliminated round 42
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.