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« on: June 08, 2009, 11:13:42 AM »

There hasn't been too many Chancellors in German history.
So, it's fine to start a Survivor on them all.

It will be a very simple Survivor: one vote to eliminate, one round, one day (2 days for the first vote, just to let you enough time to "work" a bit; and maybe more than 1 day sometimes, when I'm busy...).
No immunity, no split vote, no double vote, no preferential votes, no other niceties. Only one group.

Let's start with this complete list:

1. Otto von Bismarck (1867-1890)
2. Leo von Caprivi (1890-1894)
3. Chlodwig zu Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst (1894-1900)
4. Bernhard von Bülow (1900-1909)
5. Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg (1909-1917)
6. Georg Michaelis (1917)
7. Georg von Hertling (1917-1918)
8. Maximilian von Baden (1918)
9. Friedrich Ebert (1918-1919)
10. Philipp Scheidemann (1919)
11. Gustav Bauer (1919-1920)
12. Hermann Müller (1920 and 1928-1930)
13. Konstantin Fehrenbach (1920-1921)
14. Joseph Wirth (1921-1922)
15. Wilhelm Cuno (1922-1923)
16. Gustav Stresemann (1923)
17. Wilhelm Marx (1923-1925 and 1926-1928)
18. Hans Luther (1925-1926)
19. Heinrich Brüning (1930-1932)
20. Franz von Papen (1932)
21. Kurt von Schleicher (1932-1933)
22. Adolf Hitler (1933-1945)
23. Joseph Goebbels (1945)
24. Lutz Schwerin von Krosigk (1945)
25. Konrad Adenauer (1949-1963)
26. Ludwig Erhard (1963-1966)
27. Kurt Georg Kiesinger (1966-1969)
28. Willy Brandt (1969-1974)
29. Walter Scheel (1974)
30. Helmut Schmidt (1974-1982)
31. Helmut Kohl (1982-1998)
32. Gerhard Schröder (1998-2005)
33. Angela Merkel (2005- ?)

Please vote for the chancellor you want to eliminate.
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2009, 11:15:06 AM »

Adolf Hitler (1933-1945)
That took a lot of thinking... not.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 11:16:27 AM »

Yep, I guess the 3 or 4 first rounds may be easy...
But all is in the order.

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2009, 11:41:10 AM »

All but Scheidemann, Müller and Brandt.

Oh wait, not possible?

Alright, let's start eliminating the Prussian Occupation Chancellors in chronolical order.

Bismarck.
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 11:53:14 AM »

Because he lived in Frankfurt?
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 11:57:17 AM »

No. I didn't know that. (Scheidemann though actually is on there partly for being a Hessian.)

He was a Social Democrat and there were no specific reasons to want him eliminated, that's all. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 11:58:37 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 12:50:37 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2009, 03:15:04 PM »

Hitler
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2009, 03:20:13 PM »

I've included Scheel as he was acting chancellor for some days, after Brandt was forced to resign.
And Goebbels was chancellor for some hours, after Hitler killed himself.
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2009, 07:40:27 PM »

We might as well skip the first two rounds (Hitler and Goebbels...)
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2009, 07:41:38 PM »

Hitler.
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2009, 08:00:31 PM »

What about the East Germans?

(Hitler, btw)
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2009, 02:38:04 AM »
« Edited: June 09, 2009, 06:53:59 AM by big bad fab »

Good question.

It would have been an interesting problem, as West Germany proclaimed she was successor in law of old Germany (national public law and international law) and as, until 1973, the 2 Germanies considered each other as a non-entity.
So, to stick to international public law, we must drop East Germany.

One small point would have been to choose who should be put in the list, as chairmen of council of ministers weren't the top guys in DDR (granted, in old Germany, the Kaiser, not the chancellor, was the top guy at the beginning of the century or just before WWI).

Anyway, I wanted to stick to the "Chancellor" title (granted, I should have excluded Scheidemann, who was Reichsministerpräsident, but that would have been unfair, as the man had an important role in history and as it would have created a hole in the list; and every rule has its exception Wink ).

But, don't worry, I will make a big history Survivor this autumn and Ulbricht and Honecker will be in
(and I'll seek advices before launching it, even if it will be more a list of my choice, without any strict rule).
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2009, 10:45:28 AM »

Hitler obviously.
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