Australian Election 2004 Results Thread

[Silent Hunter]

ABC have predicted a Coalition Victory:
Lib 64
Nat 12
Lab 50
Green 1
Others 3

[Filuwaúrdjan]

AEC has:

Lib 55, ALP 41, Nat 12, Ind 3, Not Sure 39

[Platypus]

Coalition-85 (+2)
Labor-61 (-2)
Other-4 (=)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

ALP have gained in Coal Mining areas

[Platypus]

Not really. The main coal seat of Australia, Gippsland, ahs ha a 5% swing to the Nationals.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Not really. The main coal seat of Australia, Gippsland, ahs ha a 5% swing to the Nationals.

Gippsland is lignite/"brown coal" IIRC.
Check out the results from the coal seats in NSW

[Platypus]

lol, justification

look, I know Gippsland. I I know the Latrobe Valley. It's a coal seat. And it's swung to the coalition.

I am so fed up of stupid, self centered, unisightful, ignorant australians. I am SO glag that I can take a gap year sometime during this term. I *HOPE* that Hoaward changes over to Costello as soon as possible, but i'm not holding my breath.

*mumbles insults at everyone and anyone*

it's soul destroying, to be honest, to think that my countrymen can do this

[Filuwaúrdjan]

lol, justification

look, I know Gippsland. I I know the Latrobe Valley. It's a coal seat. And it's swung to the coalition.

Thing is, Gippsland has never been a strong ALP area (unlike the coal seats in NSW), it's had a National M.P for... what... 70 years?
It's interesting that Lignite fields don't corralate with voting patterns a great deal, but bitumenus/subbitumenus/anthracite tends to.
But that's a different issue.

The pro-ALP swing in the NSW coal seats is pretty much the only positive from this election so far... and I'm damned if I'm not getting at least *one* positive out of this debacle... oh and I think the ALP picked up a seat in suburban Sydney...

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Howard probably sees this as a personal triumph. He will now probably wait for the Grim Reaper... which comes sooner out of the death one or the electoral one...
I reckon he'll sack Costello fairly soon...

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Very true. The Australian electorate can be disturbingly good at reinforcing stereotypes of Australia...

[Silent Hunter]

This is won for Howard now. I think we're going to end up with the three major pro-war governments all re-elected and two out of the three anti-ones losing (Chirac's party lost it's Senate majority recently and Schroeder is on course for a loss in 2006, giving Germany it's first female Chancellor).

Lesson from this: Iraq cannot single-handedly swing an election.

[Platypus]

Costello (NOT Howard) has done a great pb on the economy, he is socially moderate, and he's a Melburnian-so I can put up with him. But no more Howard, for the love of god no more Howard.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Schroeder is on course for a loss in 2006, giving Germany it's first female Chancellor).

Don't be so sure... while the SPD is very unpopular due to the economic reforms, the electorate is slowly realising that the CDU is keener on them than the SPD...
May the least hated party win!

[Platypus]

well, ther Latrobe valley used o be in McMillan, a swing seat, but the redistricting has made McMillan a Liberal seat and Gippsland a lot closer.

[Baggy Green]

Great election! The ALP did worse than most expected. Even though my seat wasn't even close to being up for grabs, it was still an interesting race around here. I like Latham, so I kind of feel bad for the guy, especially since he was so far ahead in the polling earlier this year. I'm still happy with the Liberal win.

[KEmperor]

Looks good to me!

[Democratic Hawk]

This election has been won by John Howard on the economy.

Australia's in pretty good shape. The economy has grown for the past 13 years, unemployment is at its lowest level for 20 years

And there is a budget SURPLUS, which is more than can be said for George W Bush.

Dave

[Platypus]

Peter Costello has done all the economic work, but anyway.

I think on monday ii''l masking tape my blazer with "RIP Compassion" :S

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Based on what I can make sense of the ABC site, it looks like it would be possible but not probable that the Liberals could actually have enough seats to govern without a coalition.  (ABC shows 74 seats solidly won by the Liberals and 3 seats probable but not certain for Labour that the Liberals could get once the preferences get sorted out.)  If the Liberals can dump the Nationals, would they be likely to or would other considerations such as the Senate cause the Liberals to keep the coalition intact?

[Platypus]

the fact they've been in coalition since the war, and the senate, would keep it intact no matter what. Add that they don't run candidates in each others seats (mostly) and its unlikely to break up.

[M]

Thank G-d, now Australia will be with us in Iran. I believe the Iran war will be sot of a massive Kosovo, lots of bombing of military installation and no massive Iraq type ground invasion. There will be a one sided naval war and some special ops stuff. Just the kind of operation where Australian aide will be greatly appreciated. Timeframe: 2005-early 2007.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Thank G-d, now Australia will be with us in Iran. I believe the Iran war will be sort of a massive Kosovo, lots of bombing of military installation and no massive Iraq type ground invasion. There will be a one sided naval war and some special ops stuff. Just the kind of operation where Australian aide will be greatly appreciated. Timeframe: 2005-early 2007.

Without a very clear casus belli, I can't even see right-wing extreme hawks wanting to start a war with Iran in the next four years.  Even an open declaration that they are going to build a bomb probably wouldn't be enough.  Our military is over-extended and the idiots running the Pentagon think that the existing Reserves and Guard are enough to do the job.  They probably are, assuming that nothing new comes up, but that's hardly a credible defense policy since if we aren't prepared for a new problem, what's the incentive for others to not provide one?

It would take something like a giant mushroom cloud over the rubble of what was Tel Aviv to get us into a war with Iran in the next four years and I don't see the current leadership in Iran as being that fanatical, even if they had the capability.

[TheCommentator]

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Is M not a right-wing hawk? Does he not want war with Iran?

I think you're missing the different between "Jew" and "the rest of us". Can't blame their fanatical fascist bent though... after six million were wiped out... they learned you can only fight fascism with fascism! LOL.

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Is M not a right-wing hawk? Does he not want war with Iran?

I think you're missing the different between "Jew" and "the rest of us". Can't blame their fanatical fascist bent though... after six million were wiped out... they learned you can only fight fascism with fascism! LOL.

Not only a troll but an Anti-Semite. Cute.

[TheCommentator]

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Is M not a right-wing hawk? Does he not want war with Iran?

I think you're missing the different between "Jew" and "the rest of us". Can't blame their fanatical fascist bent though... after six million were wiped out... they learned you can only fight fascism with fascism! LOL.

Not only a troll but an Anti-Semite. Cute.

LOL, u have a map with Virginia & West Virginia as the same state and you accuse me of being an anti-semite? LOL!!

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Is M not a right-wing hawk? Does he not want war with Iran?

I think you're missing the different between "Jew" and "the rest of us". Can't blame their fanatical fascist bent though... after six million were wiped out... they learned you can only fight fascism with fascism! LOL.

Not only a troll but an Anti-Semite. Cute.

LOL, u have a map with Virginia & West Virginia as the same state and you accuse me of being an anti-semite? LOL!!

I could answer that if it made any sense...So Virginians hate Jews?

[TheCommentator]

Come on, are you seriously going to tell me Jefferson Davis was NOT an anti-semite?