French 20th Century Survivor: ROUND SIXTY-FOUR

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Daladier

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Pinay

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Pinay is our first post-war leader to be eliminated, and not a bad thing.

Round EIGHT is open. Vote away.

I vote for Bidault, fab echoed the reasons last round.

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Daladier

[MaxQue]

Bidault

Good man who become crazy because of Algérie.

[big bad fab]

Bidault

[tmthforu94]

Bidault

[Antonio the Sixth]

Bidault

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Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing

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Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing

Of course, being a resistant is good and all that, but I hate the idea that being in the resistance makes one the 8th wonder of the world and an automatic candidate for Sainthood.

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Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing

Of course, being a resistant is good and all that, but I hate the idea that being in the resistance makes one the 8th wonder of the world and an automatic candidate for Sainthood.

I never claimed such thing

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Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing

Of course, being a resistant is good and all that, but I hate the idea that being in the resistance makes one the 8th wonder of the world and an automatic candidate for Sainthood.

I never claimed such thing

Never said you did, either. I'm just noting something that annoys me in general.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Bidault

[big bad fab]

Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing

Of course, being a resistant is good and all that, but I hate the idea that being in the resistance makes one the 8th wonder of the world and an automatic candidate for Sainthood.

Many communists were resistants only when they were ordered to.
Many nationalists were just arch-nationalists, arch-patriots and they resisted against Germans, not against Nazis.
Some lonesome men, some "Rambos", some sick-in-their-head or even some criminals just found a way to become heroes or to have fun or to erase their past.
And you've got even former pétainists and vichysts, like Mitterrand.

It remains that you had to be courageous enough to fight as they fought and in the way they fought.

But, sure, all weren't ipso facto heroes !

I have often wondered whether I would have resisted: I would say "yes" (too bad to see coward civil servants around you, ready to do anything they are ordered to and so, why not deporting Jews ?) until I was married and had children, "no" after that unless my family would have been killed or jailed.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing

Of course, being a resistant is good and all that, but I hate the idea that being in the resistance makes one the 8th wonder of the world and an automatic candidate for Sainthood.

Many communists were resistants only when they were ordered to.
Many nationalists were just arch-nationalists, arch-patriots and they resisted against Germans, not against Nazis.
Some lonesome men, some "Rambos", some sick-in-their-head or even some criminals just found a way to become heroes or to have fun or to erase their past.
And you've got even former pétainists and vichysts, like Mitterrand.

It remains that you had to be courageous enough to fight as they fought and in the way they fought.

Totally agreed.

[Edu]

Bidault

[JWHart]

Frédéric François-Marsal

Apparently was PM for about a week, so he barely counts.

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Apparently was PM for about a week, so he barely counts.

Two days, actually June 8 to June 10.

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Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing

Of course, being a resistant is good and all that, but I hate the idea that being in the resistance makes one the 8th wonder of the world and an automatic candidate for Sainthood.

I never claimed such thing

Never said you did, either. I'm just noting something that annoys me in general.

Well, that article I sent you a while ago postulated that under the Fifth Republic, service in the Resistance susbtituted for parliamentary experience.

[big bad fab]

Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing

Of course, being a resistant is good and all that, but I hate the idea that being in the resistance makes one the 8th wonder of the world and an automatic candidate for Sainthood.

I never claimed such thing

Never said you did, either. I'm just noting something that annoys me in general.

Well, that article I sent you a while ago postulated that under the Fifth Republic, service in the Resistance susbtituted for parliamentary experience.

Not exactly.
After the war and throughout the begininng years of the Fifth Republic, there was a sort of Gaullist-Communist agreement on history of WW2: Vichy hasn't existed, Communists were all resistants and from the beginning, real resistants were FFL and Communists.
So, there was no great room for old resistants from the "interior"...

And, apart from UDSR, many 4th Republic (and 5th Republic) parties weren't led mainly by resistants: SFIO, Independents and mainstream right, Radicals, etc... MRP was "better" in that sense.

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And until recently, French war movies (aside from the war comedies) practically denied Vichy and collabos. Their line was that all French were OMGBRAVERESISTANTSOMG!!1!! and Germans were evil Nazis.

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Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing

Of course, being a resistant is good and all that, but I hate the idea that being in the resistance makes one the 8th wonder of the world and an automatic candidate for Sainthood.

I never claimed such thing

Never said you did, either. I'm just noting something that annoys me in general.

Well, that article I sent you a while ago postulated that under the Fifth Republic, service in the Resistance susbtituted for parliamentary experience.

Not exactly.
After the war and throughout the begininng years of the Fifth Republic, there was a sort of Gaullist-Communist agreement on history of WW2: Vichy hasn't existed, Communists were all resistants and from the beginning, real resistants were FFL and Communists.
So, there was no great room for old resistants from the "interior"...

And, apart from UDSR, many 4th Republic (and 5th Republic) parties weren't led mainly by resistants: SFIO, Independents and mainstream right, Radicals, etc... MRP was "better" in that sense.

In the cabinet, I mean. Certainly, de Gaulle's inner circle always remained his companions in London.

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Apparently was PM for about a week, so he barely counts.

Two days, actually June 8 to June 10.

Wikipedia says for little more days: 8 June 1924 – 15 June 1924

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frédéric_François-Marsal

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Bidault's out, and turnout was great!

ROUND NINE is now open, vote away.

JWHart is right, time to get rid of a caretaker technician. Frédéric François-Marsal.

Apparently was PM for about a week, so he barely counts.

Two days, actually June 8 to June 10.

Wikipedia says for little more days: 8 June 1924 – 15 June 1924

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frédéric_François-Marsal

I trust French Wikipedia more. I think English Wikipedia counts slightly more days since they calculate until the official formation/nomination of the next cabinet, rather than stopping at the resignation of said cabinet.

François-Marsal was a "technician", and was obviously a caretaker until the Cartel des gauches formed a government (it was right after the left's victory in 1924).

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Daladier

I may continue in this vein for quite some time...