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« on: July 28, 2009, 11:04:29 AM »

US Vice President Biden hits nerve in Russia

By LYNN BERRY
The Associated Press
Monday, July 27, 2009 12:16 PM



MOSCOW -- An interview U.S. Vice President Joe Biden gave to an American newspaper was front-page news Monday in Moscow, where his characterization of Russia as a weakened nation hit a raw nerve.

Biden said Russia's economic difficulties are likely to make the Kremlin more willing to cooperate with the United States on a range of national security issues.

"I think we vastly underestimate the hand that we hold," he said in an interview to The Wall Street Journal published Saturday.

Biden's comments appeared to catch the Kremlin by surprise, coming less than three weeks after President Barack Obama said on a visit to Moscow that the U.S. wants to see a "strong, peaceful and prosperous Russia."

"It raises the question: Who is shaping U.S. foreign policy? The president or members of his team, even the most respected ones?" said Kremlin foreign policy adviser Sergei Prikhodko.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs on Monday downplayed suggestions that Biden was setting a different U.S. policy from that laid out by the president.

When asked whether Obama thought Biden had gone too far in his remarks, Gibbs said the president stated his views on Russia during his recent visit and the vice president agrees with those views.

Gibbs said both leaders believe Russia will do its part to improve relations with the U.S.

Most Russian newspapers put Biden's interview on their front pages Monday, with headlines casting doubt on Washington's commitment to forge a more constructive relationship with Moscow.

"Joe Biden unexpectedly returned to the rhetoric of the previous Bush administration," the newspaper Kommersant wrote.

Moskovsky Komsomolets said Biden, with his "boorish openness," showed what the Obama administration really thinks about Russia. "We should respond to the Yankees in the same way," the newspaper wrote. "Any other language, unfortunately or fortunately, they do not understand."

The papers jumped on Biden's comments about Russia's demographic and economic problems.

"They have a shrinking population base, they have a withering economy, they have a banking sector and structure that is not likely to be able to withstand the next 15 years, they're in a situation where the world is changing before them and they're clinging to something in the past that is not sustainable," Biden said in the interview.

Some newspapers and commentators noted that Russians say the same things about themselves. The question, they said, was why Biden made the comments so quickly after this month's summit by Obama and President Dmitry Medvedev, and after Biden's own trip last week to Ukraine and Georgia, former Soviet republics whose growing ties to the West are deeply resented in Moscow.

Sergei Rogov, director of the government-funded USA and Canada Institute, was quoted in Kommersant as saying the interview was aimed in part at addressing criticism in the U.S. that the Obama administration was too soft on Russia.

Some commentators said it was wrong to see Biden as diverging from the policy set by Obama, as suggested by Prikhodko.

Biden was most likely expressing Washington's "Plan B," said Vladimir Milov, a former deputy energy minister who now heads his own think tank. If the Kremlin proves unwilling to compromise, the United States was likely to reduce relations to a minimum and push Moscow to the periphery of world politics, Milov wrote in the online Gazeta.ru.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made an apparent effort Sunday to reassure Moscow, saying on NBC "Meet the Press" that the administration considers Russia to be a "great power."

"Every country faces challenges," she said. "We have our challenges, Russia has their challenges. There are certain issues that Russia has to deal with on its own."
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2009, 11:05:05 AM »

How long before Obama really puts the hammer down on Joe, if it hasn't already happened.

I love Biden, but I mean dude, STFU.
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2009, 11:42:17 AM »

Mostly what Biden says is true, but he shouldn't be saying it in public.
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2009, 11:45:40 AM »

Mostly what Biden says is true, but he shouldn't be saying it in public.

Yeah, Biden's gaffes aren't a product of ignorance (like Palin with Kouric), insensitivity or overemotional reaction.

They are prime examples of the Kinsley definition, telling the truth when you are not supposed to do so.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 11:45:48 AM »

Mostly what Biden says is true, but he shouldn't be saying it in public.

Exactly!!!  Obama and Hillary tapdance around the truth for friendship and diplomacy sake and Biden is simply an in your face guy.  That's why I really like him......

But man the administration is spending too much time explaining that the didn't say what he really did say......lol.
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 12:35:43 PM »

Mostly what Biden says is true, but he shouldn't be saying it in public.

Yeah, Biden's gaffes aren't a product of ignorance (like Palin with Kouric), insensitivity or overemotional reaction.

They are prime examples of the Kinsley definition, telling the truth when you are not supposed to do so.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 01:39:16 PM »

Mostly what Biden says is true, but he shouldn't be saying it in public.

Yeah, Biden's gaffes aren't a product of ignorance (like Palin with Kouric), insensitivity or overemotional reaction.

They are prime examples of the Kinsley definition, telling the truth when you are not supposed to do so.

Mostly what Biden says is true, but he shouldn't be saying it in public.

Exactly!!!  Obama and Hillary tapdance around the truth for friendship and diplomacy sake and Biden is simply an in your face guy.  That's why I really like him......

But man the administration is spending too much time explaining that the didn't say what he really did say......lol.

I'm sorry.  I believe Joe Biden is one of the more dishonest and less informed politicians out there right now.  My dislike for the man transcends that for few others, so I can't sit idly by without adding my $.02.   Tongue

The Biden-Palin debate is a prime example, and was, in my opinion, one of the more embarrassing episodes in recent American politics. 

Take a look here:  http://www.newsweek.com/id/162100/page/2

I've always gotten the impression that Joe Biden is a "comic book" politician.  Like if a comic book had a sheisty, smiling, bad-guy politician in the story, he would look exactly like Joe Biden.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 01:42:10 PM »

Mostly what Biden says is true, but he shouldn't be saying it in public.
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 01:47:10 PM »

Mostly what Biden says is true, but he shouldn't be saying it in public.

Plus, it helps to have a cohesive message coming from Washington.  For all the numerous faults the Bush Administration had, they were reading off the same script when discussing foreign policy (not related to the wars).
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 03:19:32 PM »

Joe Biden tells the truth. I'm glad he's Vice President.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2009, 04:50:29 PM »

Joe Biden tells the truth. I'm glad he's Vice President.

I assume you're being sarcastic.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2009, 04:56:43 PM »

One thing is true, he's better at his job than Dick Cheney ever was.
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2009, 04:58:10 PM »

Russia is not a great power, its a weak dying state, and the economic crisis will only hasten its demise.
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2009, 05:01:11 PM »

Joe Biden tells the truth. I'm glad he's Vice President.

I assume you're being sarcastic.

No, I actually mean it. Joe Biden represents Real America, unlike Clinton or Obama.
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2009, 05:53:24 PM »

Joe Biden tells the truth. I'm glad he's Vice President.

I assume you're being sarcastic.

No, I actually mean it. Joe Biden represents Real America, unlike Clinton or Obama.

Well I agree with the lil kid.......that scares me......but he has nailed it.
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2009, 09:03:58 PM »

Joe Biden tells the truth. I'm glad he's Vice President.

I assume you're being sarcastic.

No, I actually mean it. Joe Biden represents Real America, unlike Clinton or Obama.

Well I agree with the lil kid.......that scares me......but he has nailed it.

Am I the butt of a cruel joke here?
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2009, 09:12:10 PM »

Mostly what Biden says is true, but he shouldn't be saying it in public.

Yeah, Biden's gaffes aren't a product of ignorance (like Palin with Kouric), insensitivity or overemotional reaction.

They are prime examples of the Kinsley definition, telling the truth when you are not supposed to do so.

Or even if the truth is supposed to be told, doing it in a  manner that lacks tactfulness.
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2009, 06:37:45 AM »

what's funny is that Biden's been a politician for like half a century and he still doesn't have his crap together
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2009, 08:13:49 AM »

what's funny is that Biden's been a politician for like half a century and he still doesn't have his crap together

But this is just Joe being Joe......no surprises here, right? 
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