St Louis police murder scandal (PLUS: riots, idiotic press conferences, etc.)

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

The willingness to throw due process aside when some on this site think a cop did something wrong is frightening. Nothing has done more to weaken our judicial system than those who seek to obtain guilty verdicts from the court of public opinion.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Nothing has done more to weaken our judicial system than those who seek to obtain guilty verdicts from the court of public opinion.

nothing, nothing at all, you underdeveloped neo-Platonist?

I would argue that there's not.  That mentality has led to the absolute decay in appreciation for due process.  And that decay has led to rulings like Hamdi v. Rumsfeld which should scare every American.  The Nancy Graces of the world have done 10 times more harm than good.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Nothing has done more to weaken our judicial system than those who seek to obtain guilty verdicts from the court of public opinion.

nothing, nothing at all, you underdeveloped neo-Platonist?

I would argue that there's not.  That mentality has led to the absolute decay in appreciation for due process.  And that decay has led to rulings like Hamdi v. Rumsfeld which should scare every American.  The Nancy Graces of the world have done 10 times more harm than good.

you have your cause-effect wrong.  state power conditions the commercial media, not the other way around.

It's not just the media. It's most Americans. The media certainly hasn't helped, but this problem has been snowballing for years.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I don't really know what VOX is but this is a decent piece, nothing earth shattering, that I came across on Twitter in response to this weekend's NYT article:

Michael Brown didn't do anything as a teen that I didn't — but only one of us got killed

The author of that article never claims to have assaulted the owner of the store that he robbed, whereas Brown is alleged to have done that.  The author never assaulted a police officer, which Brown has also been alleged to have done, and those who are paying attention to what happened and aren't just here to troll know that that is allegedly why he was killed, not because he stole some cigars.

The NYT article wasn't done in good taste, and I see no reason why it should've been written, but the VOX article isn't much better.  This whole ordeal has been a bunch of people making assumptions, passing judgment, and reaching opinions without knowing all of the facts.

Let the situation play out in the courtroom as it should.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I don't really know what VOX is but this is a decent piece, nothing earth shattering, that I came across on Twitter in response to this weekend's NYT article:

Michael Brown didn't do anything as a teen that I didn't — but only one of us got killed

Vox is Ezra Klein's new internet journalism outfit.  Kinda similar to the new 538, except better.  

I saw that article as well (they're one of my main sources for news these days TBH), and yeah it's pretty obviously correct.

Matthew Yglesias robbed a store and assaulted the owner? Changes my opinion of him, if he did. He also neglected to mention this in his article.

I think the point is that doing sh**tty things while being a sh**tty teen doesn't mean that you should be shot by a police officer.

Again, that's an oversimplification of what some are claiming happened.  Do you know that Brown didn't assault the police officer?  If not, why are you acting like it's established fact that the kid was shot for stealing cigars?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I don't really know what VOX is but this is a decent piece, nothing earth shattering, that I came across on Twitter in response to this weekend's NYT article:

Michael Brown didn't do anything as a teen that I didn't — but only one of us got killed

Vox is Ezra Klein's new internet journalism outfit.  Kinda similar to the new 538, except better.  

I saw that article as well (they're one of my main sources for news these days TBH), and yeah it's pretty obviously correct.

Matthew Yglesias robbed a store and assaulted the owner? Changes my opinion of him, if he did. He also neglected to mention this in his article.

I think the point is that doing sh**tty things while being a sh**tty teen doesn't mean that you should be shot by a police officer.

Again, that's an oversimplification of what some are claiming happened.  Do you know that Brown didn't assault the police officer?  If not, why are you acting like it's established fact that the kid was shot for stealing cigars?

I'm not but the implication of even bringing up the cigar stealing incident, which has been confirmed to have been unrelated to the incident in the street, is that this is a bad, violent criminal and therefore shooting him could be justified.

I'm not defending those who have; however, the people writing the articles that essentially say, "I was like Brown because I stole a candy bar once, but the only difference is that I wasn't shot" are only adding to the focus on that unrelated incident.

The author never assaulted a police officer, which Brown has also been alleged to have done

You appreciate this is a permanent circular logic issue with people killed by police, right? It's virtually certain that the police will note that they felt under assault, and then people will cite that to justify other things.

Honestly, Inks, do you believe Brown assaulted the police officer by diving into the car and trying to grab his gun? Do you think this is more likely, as likely, or less likely than the eyewitness accounts that he didn't?

I am not privy to the eyewitness accounts or any other evidence that could be out there, so I see no reason to speculate as to what may have happened.  I fail to see how anything about what I said is circular logic, though.

If he attacked the cop, he deserves to get shot.  If he didn't, the cop should spend a long long time in jail.

Do you believe that Brown attacked the cop? Do you put the odds at very likely it happened as the cop said, exactly 50/50 because "it's the cop's word vs. the eyewitnesses, too bad Michael Brown isn't here to disagree", or something else?

What exactly is the end result that you think should happen to the cop?  If it's criminal charges, then the odds being at 50%+1 isn't a relevant threshold to debate.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Except all the witnesses say otherwise.

That's not true.