Social Democrats-Voting postponed until more members join

[PJ]

A brief platform of the Social Democrats:
1. Believe that the right to individual autonomy is important.
2. Outsourcing hurts the economy and corporations should be punished for doing it.
3. Religious and secular charities should have the same resources.
4. As a developed country, it is Atlasia's responsibility to give foreign aid to nations with poverty issues.
5. When we discuss budget cuts, education should never be considered. Our children's future must be protected.
6. LGBT rights must be protected, including the right to marry.
7. Free trade stimulates the world economy and is a good idea.
8. Government programs help Atlasia and should never be eliminated, and only have budget cuts in massive recessions.
9. The Social Democrats are absolutely pro-choice.
10. Cultural institutions that cannot survive independently.
11. Everyone should have access to healthcare.
12. The government should not censor media. It should however, rank levels of "vulgarity" so parents can make informed decisions about whether or not their children should see it.
13. The fairest form of taxation is when the rich are taxed more than the poor.
14. The minimum wage should be raised with inflation.
15. The best way to help drug users is to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana, and to decriminalize other drugs.
16. Society should move more towards equality, and the accusations that equality is an excuse to disadvantage those with real merit are simply false.
17. Violating individual rights are unacceptable, even when fighting terrorism.
18. Corporations are NOT people.
19. The government should provide a safety net for all people, but not all basic needs.
20. The death penalty shoul never be an option.
21. Illegal immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship.
22. Union workers should be protected during strikes.
23. Prostitution should not be criminalized.
24. Neutral on flag burning.
25. Companies that have been proven to discriminate should be punished.
26. Protectionism is simply an excuse to prevent globalization.
27. Euthanasia should be an option for some circumstances.
28. Education, not banning soft drinks, is the answer to stopping obesity.
29. Any and all environmental regulations must made to ensure a healthy environment.
30. Prayer in public schools should not be required.
31. Three strike sentencing should not be legal.
32. Universal background checks should be required for gun sales, and semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
33. Schools should not be exempt from the national curriculum.
34. Any military cuts should come out of heavy artillery, not soldier's benefits.
35. There should be a limit on how much politicians spend on campaigns.
36. Against involvement in Syria
37. Supports five regions remaining.
38. Supports a new constitutional convention

There are some natural inconsistences, which I have highlighted.

Outsourcing can occur through two ways.
1. Company based in Delaware or Connecticut moves its OH plant to Shanghai to reduce costs.
2. Shanghai Company outcompetes DE/CT company and their OH plant closes down, not to mention the corporate HQ in DE/CT.

You make number one illegal or heavily disincentivize it and do the other other highlighted items, you are going to have a lot of number two, when taken in conjunction with the free trade and opposition to protectionism (which are valid and correct points by the way).

Thank you for taking the time to read it NCYankee. I would like to clarify that I am referring to the first kind of outsourcing you mentioned.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Yes, but punishing companies for the first kind will only cause number two to baloon in size, and there won't be any way to stop that without violating seven and twenty six.

[PJ]

Yes, but punishing companies for the first kind will only cause number two to baloon in size, and there won't be any way to stop that without violating seven and twenty six.

I support free trade because I am opposed to protectionism. Outsourcing would be an exception to this, as it is a loophole to raising the minimum wage, and is an exception. I will post a revised platform.

[PJ]

A brief platform of the Social Democrats:
1. Believe that the right to individual autonomy is important.
2. Outsourcing hurts the economy and corporations should be punished for doing it. This is the kind of outsourcing when American companies ship jobs to other countries.
3. Religious and secular charities should have the same resources.
4. As a developed country, it is Atlasia's responsibility to give foreign aid to nations with poverty issues.
5. When we discuss budget cuts, education should never be considered. Our children's future must be protected.
6. LGBT rights must be protected, including the right to marry.
7. Free trade stimulates the world economy and is a good idea in most cases.
8. Government programs help Atlasia and should never be eliminated, and only have budget cuts in massive recessions.
9. The Social Democrats are absolutely pro-choice.
10. Cultural institutions that cannot survive independently.
11. Everyone should have access to healthcare.
12. The government should not censor media. It should however, rank levels of "vulgarity" so parents can make informed decisions about whether or not their children should see it.
13. The fairest form of taxation is when the rich are taxed more than the poor.
14. The minimum wage should be raised with inflation.
15. The best way to help drug users is to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana, and to decriminalize other drugs.
16. Society should move more towards equality, and the accusations that equality is an excuse to disadvantage those with real merit are simply false.
17. Violating individual rights are unacceptable, even when fighting terrorism.
18. Corporations are NOT people.
19. The government should provide a safety net for all people, but not all basic needs.
20. The death penalty shoul never be an option.
21. Illegal immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship.
22. Union workers should be protected during strikes.
23. Prostitution should not be criminalized.
24. Neutral on flag burning.
25. Companies that have been proven to discriminate should be punished.
26. Protectionism is simply an excuse to prevent globalization.
27. Euthanasia should be an option for some circumstances.
28. Education, not banning soft drinks, is the answer to stopping obesity.
29. Almost all environmental regulations must made to ensure a healthy environment.
30. Prayer in public schools should not be required.
31. Three strike sentencing should not be legal.
32. Universal background checks should be required for gun sales, and semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
33. Schools should not be exempt from the national curriculum.
34. Any military cuts should come out of heavy artillery, not soldier's benefits.
35. There should be a limit on how much politicians spend on campaigns.
36. Against involvement in Syria
37. Supports five regions remaining.
38. Supports a new constitutional convention

[PJ]

I would like to officially welcome Dr Cynic to the Social Democrats!

[PJ]

Now that we have more than one member, lets have some elections.

Do u approve of the previously posted platform of the Social Democrats for Progressivism and Leftism?
[ ] Aye
[ ] Nay
[ ] Abstain

Election for representative of the Social Democrats for Progressivism and Leftism in the Caucus for an institutional Atlasia
[ ] Politics Junkie
[ ] write-in

Election for representative of the Social Democrats for Progressivism and Leftism in the Progressive Caucus.
[ ] Politics Junkie
[ ] write-in

[PJ]

Voting will last for 72 hours.

[Dr. Cynic]

Motion to table any voting until there are a few more members.

[PJ]

I agree on platform but we need caucus reps

[PJ]

We can have another election once we have more members

[PJ]

I have decided to second Dr Cynics motion, voting ends.

[PJ]

The Social Democrats would like to officially welcome FloridianOranges as the newest member of the party!

In accordance with the We Need More Political Parties Amendment, we are now a major party!  

[sentinel]

Hey, guys, check out the Generic Leftist Third Way Buzzword Party (GLTWBP)!

[PJ]

Hey, guys, check out the Generic Leftist Third Way Buzzword Party (GLTWBP)!

I believe that memo has already been sent. It's not like there is no ideology between liberal and labor. We are economic leftists, not socialists or moderates, and social libertarians, not anarchists or centrists.

[PJ]

A brief platform of the Social Democrats:
1. Believe that the right to individual autonomy is important.
2. Outsourcing hurts the economy and corporations should be punished for doing it. This is the kind of outsourcing when American companies ship jobs to other countries.
3. Religious and secular charities should have the same resources.
4. As a developed country, it is Atlasia's responsibility to give foreign aid to nations with poverty issues.
5. When we discuss budget cuts, education should never be considered. Our children's future must be protected.
6. LGBT rights must be protected, including the right to marry.
7. Free trade stimulates the world economy and is a good idea in most cases.
8. Government programs help Atlasia and should never be eliminated, and only have budget cuts in massive recessions.
9. The Social Democrats are absolutely pro-choice.
10. Cultural institutions that cannot survive independently should have government funding.
11. Everyone should have access to healthcare.
12. The government should not censor media. It should however, rank levels of "vulgarity" so parents can make informed decisions about whether or not their children should see it.
13. The fairest form of taxation is when the rich are taxed more than the poor.
14. The minimum wage should be raised with inflation.
15. The best way to help drug users is to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana, and to decriminalize other drugs.
16. Society should move more towards equality, and the accusations that equality is an excuse to disadvantage those with real merit are simply false.
17. Violating individual rights are unacceptable, even when fighting terrorism.
18. Corporations are NOT people.
19. The government should provide a safety net for all people, but not all basic needs.
20. The death penalty shoul never be an option.
21. Illegal immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship.
22. Union workers should be protected during strikes.
23. Prostitution should not be criminalized.
24. Neutral on flag burning.
25. Companies that have been proven to discriminate should be punished.
26. Protectionism is simply an excuse to prevent globalization.
27. Euthanasia should be an option for some circumstances.
28. Education, not banning soft drinks, is the answer to stopping obesity.
29. Almost all environmental regulations must made to ensure a healthy environment.
30. Prayer in public schools should not be required.
31. Three strike sentencing should not be legal.
32. Universal background checks should be required for gun sales, and semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
33. Schools should not be exempt from the national curriculum.
34. Any military cuts should come out of heavy artillery, not soldier's benefits.
35. There should be a limit on how much politicians spend on campaigns.
36. Against involvement in Syria
37. Supports five regions remaining.
38. Supports a new constitutional convention

We will now have a 72 hour debate period for this platform.

[PJ]

If all members agree beforehand, the debate period will be shortened.

[Dr. Cynic]

The only objections I can really raise come in the form of trade. Being from Pittsburgh, I've seen what free trade can do to bring down an entire industry. In fact, I don't agree that it's to prevent global trade, but rather to protect our local industry from foreign competition. This is why I do not, can not and will not support free trade.

Other than planks 7 and 26, I have no objections to the platform.

[PJ]

Would you be comfortable with the Party Platform being neutral in 7 and 26?

[Dr. Cynic]

I could compromise.

[PJ]

Ok here is revised platform.

A brief platform of the Social Democrats:
1. Believe that the right to individual autonomy is important.
2. Outsourcing hurts the economy and corporations should be punished for doing it. This is the kind of outsourcing when American companies ship jobs to other countries.
3. Religious and secular charities should have the same resources.
4. As a developed country, it is Atlasia's responsibility to give foreign aid to nations with poverty issues.
5. When we discuss budget cuts, education should never be considered. Our children's future must be protected.
6. LGBT rights must be protected, including the right to marry.
7. Neutral on Free Trade
8. Government programs help Atlasia and should never be eliminated, and only have budget cuts in massive recessions.
9. The Social Democrats are absolutely pro-choice.
10. Cultural institutions that cannot survive independently.
11. Everyone should have access to healthcare.
12. The government should not censor media. It should however, rank levels of "vulgarity" so parents can make informed decisions about whether or not their children should see it.
13. The fairest form of taxation is when the rich are taxed more than the poor.
14. The minimum wage should be raised with inflation.
15. The best way to help drug users is to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana, and to decriminalize other drugs.
16. Society should move more towards equality, and the accusations that equality is an excuse to disadvantage those with real merit are simply false.
17. Violating individual rights are unacceptable, even when fighting terrorism.
18. Corporations are NOT people.
19. The government should provide a safety net for all people, but not all basic needs.
20. The death penalty shoul never be an option.
21. Illegal immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship.
22. Union workers should be protected during strikes.
23. Prostitution should not be criminalized.
24. Neutral on flag burning.
25. Companies that have been proven to discriminate should be punished.
26. Neutral on protectionism.
27. Euthanasia should be an option for some circumstances.
28. Education, not banning soft drinks, is the answer to stopping obesity.
29. Almost all environmental regulations must made to ensure a healthy environment.
30. Prayer in public schools should not be required.
31. Three strike sentencing should not be legal.
32. Universal background checks should be required for gun sales, and semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
33. Schools should not be exempt from the national curriculum.
34. Any military cuts should come out of heavy artillery, not soldier's benefits.
35. There should be a limit on how much politicians spend on campaigns.
36. Against involvement in Syria
37. Supports five regions remaining.
38. Supports a new constitutional convention

[Flake]

I love this party! The other members are so nice and are so helpful with all of my questions on Atlasia and I love it here!

[PJ]

I love this party! The other members are so nice and are so helpful with all of my questions on Atlasia and I love it here!

Thank you! Do you approve of the previously posted platform?

[Dr. Cynic]

The neutrality planks are fine by me.

[PJ]

FloridianOranges told me he approved of the platform via PM so I'm going to start voting now. Since we only have three members, voting will last 24 hours.
Do you approve of this platform as the platform of the Social Democrats for Progressivism and Leftism?
[ ] Aye
[ ] Nay
[ ] Abstain

A brief platform of the Social Democrats:
1. Believe that the right to individual autonomy is important.
2. Outsourcing hurts the economy and corporations should be punished for doing it. This is the kind of outsourcing when American companies ship jobs to other countries.
3. Religious and secular charities should have the same resources.
4. As a developed country, it is Atlasia's responsibility to give foreign aid to nations with poverty issues.
5. When we discuss budget cuts, education should never be considered. Our children's future must be protected.
6. LGBT rights must be protected, including the right to marry.
7. Neutral on Free Trade
8. Government programs help Atlasia and should never be eliminated, and only have budget cuts in massive recessions.
9. The Social Democrats are absolutely pro-choice.
10. Cultural institutions that cannot survive independently.
11. Everyone should have access to healthcare.
12. The government should not censor media. It should however, rank levels of "vulgarity" so parents can make informed decisions about whether or not their children should see it.
13. The fairest form of taxation is when the rich are taxed more than the poor.
14. The minimum wage should be raised with inflation.
15. The best way to help drug users is to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana, and to decriminalize other drugs.
16. Society should move more towards equality, and the accusations that equality is an excuse to disadvantage those with real merit are simply false.
17. Violating individual rights are unacceptable, even when fighting terrorism.
18. Corporations are NOT people.
19. The government should provide a safety net for all people, but not all basic needs.
20. The death penalty shoul never be an option.
21. Illegal immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship.
22. Union workers should be protected during strikes.
23. Prostitution should not be criminalized.
24. Neutral on flag burning.
25. Companies that have been proven to discriminate should be punished.
26. Neutral on protectionism.
27. Euthanasia should be an option for some circumstances.
28. Education, not banning soft drinks, is the answer to stopping obesity.
29. Almost all environmental regulations must made to ensure a healthy environment.
30. Prayer in public schools should not be required.
31. Three strike sentencing should not be legal.
32. Universal background checks should be required for gun sales, and semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
33. Schools should not be exempt from the national curriculum.
34. Any military cuts should come out of heavy artillery, not soldier's benefits.
35. There should be a limit on how much politicians spend on campaigns.
36. Against involvement in Syria
37. Supports five regions remaining.
38. Supports a new constitutional convention

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[PJ]

Aye