Opinion of Ray Goldfield

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Who?

Our resident Israel apologist/Eternal victim.

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People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

Yeah, no. Drop the victim-blaming.

You think he's the victim? Lol.

No, I think blaming those who face bigotry for the bigotry is nasty. It's a classic aspect of antisemitism so I would watch it if I were you.

Kind of hard to be antisemitic when I'm Jewish myself. And he doesn't face any bigotry.

[Horus]

People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

Yeah, no. Drop the victim-blaming.

You think he's the victim? Lol.

No, I think blaming those who face bigotry for the bigotry is nasty. It's a classic aspect of antisemitism so I would watch it if I were you.

Kind of hard to be antisemitic when I'm Jewish myself. And he doesn't face any bigotry.

No, it is not at all hard to be antisemitic and Jewish at the same time. And anyway I can't know who you are so it's a lame argument to use on the internet. Secondly, for precisely the same reasons you have no idea what bigotry he does or does not face.

Antonio made the point pretty concisely.

Hmm, actually I'd say it's quite hard, if not impossible to be Jewish and a genuine anti semite. Unless you have adopted the view that any criticism of Israel or their supporters is antisemitic.

Also, I don't think you realize just how easy it is to be Jewish in this country.

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People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

How am I wrong? Have you read his posts? He reads like a bad, bad stereotype.

I don't really care what he's posted, honestly. Implying that a persecuted minority "brings it upon themselves" is disgusting.

American Jews are not a persecuted minority.

[Horus]

People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

Yeah, no. Drop the victim-blaming.

You think he's the victim? Lol.

No, I think blaming those who face bigotry for the bigotry is nasty. It's a classic aspect of antisemitism so I would watch it if I were you.

Kind of hard to be antisemitic when I'm Jewish myself. And he doesn't face any bigotry.

No, it is not at all hard to be antisemitic and Jewish at the same time. And anyway I can't know who you are so it's a lame argument to use on the internet. Secondly, for precisely the same reasons you have no idea what bigotry he does or does not face.

Antonio made the point pretty concisely.

Hmm, actually I'd say it's quite hard, if not impossible to be Jewish and a genuine anti semite. Unless you have adopted the view that any criticism of Israel or their supporters is antisemitic.

Also, I don't think you realize just how easy it is to be Jewish in this country.

You need to read up more. Why don't you start at Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

I don't think you realize how insanely privileged it is to assume that everyone else encounters the same issues as you do. It's possible that this poster does not suffer a bit due to his Jewishness. But it's also possible that he does. It's possible that he suffers not from things he experiences directly but through what happens to his family or friends. But it really isn't up to you to decide for him on the basis that you claim to be Jewish.

Typical. Because I call out my own people on their hypocrisy and overuse of the victim card, I must be a "self-hater". Give me a break.

[Horus]

People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

Yeah, no. Drop the victim-blaming.

You think he's the victim? Lol.

No, I think blaming those who face bigotry for the bigotry is nasty. It's a classic aspect of antisemitism so I would watch it if I were you.

Kind of hard to be antisemitic when I'm Jewish myself. And he doesn't face any bigotry.

No, it is not at all hard to be antisemitic and Jewish at the same time. And anyway I can't know who you are so it's a lame argument to use on the internet. Secondly, for precisely the same reasons you have no idea what bigotry he does or does not face.

Antonio made the point pretty concisely.

Hmm, actually I'd say it's quite hard, if not impossible to be Jewish and a genuine anti semite. Unless you have adopted the view that any criticism of Israel or their supporters is antisemitic.

Also, I don't think you realize just how easy it is to be Jewish in this country.

You need to read up more. Why don't you start at Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

I don't think you realize how insanely privileged it is to assume that everyone else encounters the same issues as you do. It's possible that this poster does not suffer a bit due to his Jewishness. But it's also possible that he does. It's possible that he suffers not from things he experiences directly but through what happens to his family or friends. But it really isn't up to you to decide for him on the basis that you claim to be Jewish.

Typical. Because I call out my own people on their hypocrisy and overuse of the victim card, I must be a "self-hater". Give me a break.

You having reading comprehension issues? You weren't accused of being a "self-hater". The point is simply that you shouldn't universally judge others based on your own experiences.

I clearly was accused of being a self hater. I have also had my background brought into question all because I made a somewhat tongue-in-cheek comment about someone who fits many modern Jewish stereotypes.

[Horus]

People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

Yeah, no. Drop the victim-blaming.

You think he's the victim? Lol.

No, I think blaming those who face bigotry for the bigotry is nasty. It's a classic aspect of antisemitism so I would watch it if I were you.

Kind of hard to be antisemitic when I'm Jewish myself. And he doesn't face any bigotry.

No, it is not at all hard to be antisemitic and Jewish at the same time. And anyway I can't know who you are so it's a lame argument to use on the internet. Secondly, for precisely the same reasons you have no idea what bigotry he does or does not face.

Antonio made the point pretty concisely.

Hmm, actually I'd say it's quite hard, if not impossible to be Jewish and a genuine anti semite. Unless you have adopted the view that any criticism of Israel or their supporters is antisemitic.

Also, I don't think you realize just how easy it is to be Jewish in this country.

You could easily be lying about your religion, a self-hating Jew, or one of those awful people who goes around claiming to be Jewish when they're really just a Christian trying to convert actual Jews.  Regardless of which of those three you are, the more pressing question is why I haven't put you on ignore yet.  Fortunately, I can easily fix that right now.

I'm none of those three, but have at it.