Democrats: Is there ANY scenario in which you would possibly vote for Nader?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

I'd love to try and defend Nader but really there is no point given the level of hackinessness in your posts about him and your love-in type polls. So all I'll say is this:

[Tetro Kornbluth]

I'd love to try and defend Nader but really there is no point given the level of hackinessness in your posts about him and your love-in type polls. So all I'll say is this:

Why would you want to defend such a pro-censorship authoritarian James Dobson lover in the first place?

*Sigh*. I support his right to run in an election for president of the United States as his is constitutional right under the US constitution.
 - I support his right not to be a media\corporate hack like Al Gore was\is\always has been in putting himself forward for the presidency.
 - I support his right to call for material to be banned or him to be concerned about pornography\video games\violent movies\whatever - That does not mean I want them banned; only that I believe that Nader has right to say that he wished things to be banned. Plus I'm concerned about plently of those things too; even though I dabble in them.

Understand?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

*Sigh*. I support his right to run in an election for president of the United States as his is constitutional right under the US constitution.

So why not make as much of a fuss for the Constitution Party?

- I support his right not to be a media\corporate hack like Al Gore was\is\always has been in putting himself forward for the presidency.

That's why Gore was the candidate all the corporations wanted in 2000, right?

- I support his right to call for material to be banned or him to be concerned about pornography\video games\violent movies\whatever - That does not mean I want them banned; only that I believe that Nader has right to say that he wished things to be banned.

Sure he has the right to call for that. The question is whether you want someone calling for that to be President.

The Constitution Party and Libertarians have a right to call for the loony things they do too...

Plus I'm concerned about plently of those things too; even though I dabble in them.

What the hell is there to be concerned about?

Maybe because you haven't the spam forum going on about how 'fascist' and 'disgusting' either the Libertarian or Constitution parties are?

As for all the Corporations not wanting Gore, all I can say is LOL. And here I won't talk about his media slutishness.

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Was big business pissed off about Bush stealing it in 2000 because that meant "their guy" did get in? Or were they overjoyed?

While there is no doubt that Business preferred Bush to Gore that isn't to say they saw Gore as an evil; more like to them that Gore was the "lesser of two goods" so to speak.

Don't Believe Me? Look at these, and these show Gore's role in Occidental too. (Never his glorious hypocrisy as a 'green' campaigner.)

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=468

Or

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=465

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This shows some of his Media Hackery too.

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Or to show more of his Media Hackery:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/US_election_race/Story/0,,387690,00.html

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Or this: http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=2613

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More Hypocrisy:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm

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That must be why Al Gore has become the hero of the American left and has NEVER been criticized by any American leftists in the past couple years? (It's true too, I have not heard a single leftist say anything negative about Al Gore in years. He's a beloved hero through the entire American left. Meanwhile as for the American left's opinion of Nader...)

Also Nader is authoritarian, Gore is not.

Way to avoid arguement. I don't care what the American left thinks (and the American left certainly does not love Gore; the Democratic base - maybe, but Left-wing academics, The Chomskyons, The Zinnites of the left... Naahhh they always hated Al Gore. Uber-Leftist Alexander Cockburn - with whom I don't always agree - compared the choice between Bush and Gore as the choice of a man afloat at sea forced to either drink salt water or his own urine. I can't help but agree.) but the above clearly exposes Gore as a hypocrite, Media hack and major corporate whore. If not, find me reliable evidence (at least by internet standards..) which shows otherwise.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Go look at DU, a "left wing nutjob" site. Say something negative about Gore. Won't be good. Also look at the thread I linked earlier re: Nader. And Tweed, an open communist, loves Al Gore. jfern has been trashing the Democrats now, and he still considers Gore a great Democrat and a hero. Also worth nothing everyone you mentioned endorsed Kerry in 2004...

Bash Gore all you'd like, but frankly, even ignoring electability issues, I still would find him the best candidate in 2000. If there was IRV, I'd only preference him. Nader is an ass, he has a huge ego, he's very authoritarian, and a year earlier he allied with James Dobson to trash the Democrats. So we're supposed to crucify Al Gore, yet ignore Nader's alliance with Dobson and not hold him to the same standard? Furthermore Nader's flat out lie and libel in which he claimed Bush and Gore were 100% identical and they did not differ in any way and were exactly the same on every single issue alone is enough of a turn off. Nader still continues to claim that a Gore presidency would be exactly like Bush's. I'll never respect or give support to such sheer idiocy. Nader's record of union busting and buying stocks in companies that were competitors of ones he was about to write something bad about also come to mind. Nader's an egomaniac blowhard asshole, and I have no reason to like or support him. Gore was the best candidate on the ballot in 2000, period.

For a start DU is a hardcore Democratic\US Liberal site, but it's not neccesarily a left wing nutjob site, if you want a hardcore leftist site I recommend Zmag or for that matter, Cockburn's Own Site - Counterpunch though I admit I don't really know of any hardcore leftist forums dedicated to only politics. Btw, Counterpunch and ZMag both called for "NOTA" during the 2006 midterms, not sure about 2004.

Second of all you still haven't debunked my arguement against Gore being a hack, all you have done is ignore me totally and then have as your arguement "OMG EVERYBODY LOVES GORE!!111" and the old reliability "OMG NADER!!11". Admit it, Gore is a total schill.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Furthermore, Nader didn't challenge or damage the two-party system, he SOLIDIFIED it. Nader destroyed any possibility of a strong third party candidacy similar to Perot for 20 years at leasts.

Rubbish. Arrogant, complacent rubbish. The only thing, and I mean the only thing, standing in the way of a strong insurgent candidate of some form is the fact that the two-party system is institutionalised and that breaking through it requires a great deal of money (and other things).

Aye. The current approval ratings given to Congress and the incumbent President seem to show this fair enough - I suspect this is why Bloomberg intended to run at one point.

OK, we all agree DU is to the left of this forum, right?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3514799

Hmmm, let's compare results...

Do you even read my posts? I said DU was mostly full of kids playing politics and is very partizanly democratic\American-Liberal but does equate it being ultra left-wing. There is a huge difference.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Furthermore, Nader didn't challenge or damage the two-party system, he SOLIDIFIED it. Nader destroyed any possibility of a strong third party candidacy similar to Perot for 20 years at leasts.

Rubbish. Arrogant, complacent rubbish. The only thing, and I mean the only thing, standing in the way of a strong insurgent candidate of some form is the fact that the two-party system is institutionalised and that breaking through it requires a great deal of money (and other things).

That's the ONLY thing? FPTP has nothing to do with it?

Do you even read my posts? I said DU was mostly full of kids playing politics and is very partizanly democratic\American-Liberal but does equate it being ultra left-wing. There is a huge difference.

The average age on DU is much higher than on here and Democrats get bashed all the time. I can bring up plenty of examples. And American Liberal is the same thing as left wing.

American Liberal is only part of the left-wing umbrella. I doubt the guys at www.libcom.org would describe themselves as liberals in any sense of the word.

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Do you think they would be supporters of James Dobson?

No.

You do realize I'm defending Nader because the way you treat him is the scorn usually reserved by Medevil popes and slave-owners for uppity types. Even in the "Opinion of Ralph Nader" thread I described him as a hypocrite. Of course that was over Halliburton, I'm wondering what exactly Nader said about Dobson. If he said that Dobson is just showing concern at the level of Violence, sex, etc in the media then I agree. If he called for new goverment (or private) laws to be put in place, then I fully, fully disagree.

But there are much bigger political issues.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Nader forged an alliance with Dobson to attack the Democrats over ties to the gambling industry:

http://www.commercialalert.org/issues/culture/gambling/nader-dobson-ask-whether-democrats-want-to-be-the-party-of-the-gambling-industry

Wait a minute, So Nader and Dobson happened to agree on one thing and wrote a letter together comdemning one of the world's most famous vices, which destroys communities and lives every year and questioned a corrupt political system where this parasatic industry can flourish and often gain access to the highest levels of political power and can have a serious say on actual policy... AND this is a bad thing?

Straha is right for once, you're a total hypocrite - your politics is all about protecting your vices under the name of liberalism.