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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: March 14, 2004, 05:58:27 AM »

Legislative elections in Spain are held today... just days after the worst atrocity in Spain since the Civil War.

IMO it's the most up-in-the-air election I've ever seen.
With an extremly high turnout and a lot of people who don't normally vote, voting it's too close to call right now.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2004, 06:37:29 AM »

Spanish Democracy is not on the ballot and will therefore fail to win even a single seat. Smiley

You know what I mean...
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2004, 07:08:38 AM »

I mean that there will be a very high turnout in protest at the terrorist attacks.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2004, 02:40:56 PM »
« Edited: March 14, 2004, 02:42:52 PM by Al »

0800 GMT
0900 Spanish time
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2004, 02:58:06 PM »

Exit polls have the PSOE and the PP neck and neck (http://news.bbc.co.uk)

I think that most Spanish newspapers have the results as they come in:

www.onlinenewspapers.com
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2004, 03:07:40 PM »

Exit polls:

TVE/RNE
PSOE 41.4%
PP 36.9%

A3/O.Cero
PSOE 41%
PP 38.5%

TELE 5
PP 40.6%
PSOE 38.3%

Pulsometro
PSOE 40.5%
PP 39.5%
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2004, 03:49:08 PM »

It's not over yet, but right now it *looks* as if the PSOE will win...

If the polls counted were mostly in the South (a PSOE stronghold), then the PP might be able to sneak it.
If not the PSOE has won.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2004, 03:57:05 PM »

The PSOE have said they will pull out in a few months or so (I think). Not immediatly.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2004, 04:07:48 PM »

Mister Gordon Brown... I hate Blair, not the labour party. And it was against public opinion to send troops in iraq thus I think that Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi must lose elections. As Bush...

Well Aznar was retiring anyway... the PP's candidate was Rajoy.
Over here, our electoral system means that Blair literally cannot lose.
BTW public opinion swung behind the war after the whole UN shenanigans (=brits don't like Chirac).
Not in Spain though...
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2004, 04:25:15 PM »

And Tony Blair can lose elections no? He is very unpopular with his lies and conservative can win... (I don't like conservative party but it's better than Blair). and Brits didn't want the war but they are patriots and give a support to british troops.

Our electoral system is FPTP. The Tories need the biggest swing since 1931 to win a majority of 1.

Blair is very unpopular with the metropolitan elite. But he is still popular in working class areas (which were strongly pro-war).
As for lies... I doubt he would dare tell bare faced lies (he's distorted the truth before, but not lied).

As for the Tories... d'yi know who Newt Gingrich is?
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2004, 04:43:20 PM »

it's possible... look at Spain (I know, itisn't th british system but a party who has a great majority can lose th next elections) ...

Spain has a form of Proportional Representation.
We don't. The U.K system works like this [all names are fictional]

Llareggub East

Dai Jones   Lab   60%
Huw Jones PC    20%
John Jones Con  10%
Jane Jones LD     10%
---Lab Hold---

There are about 650 seats (can't remember exact number). Whoever wins the most individual contests, wins the election.

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Doesn't work like that (see above)

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Howard is a class A hypocrite (anti-immigrant rhetoric+son of Romanian immigrants=jerk) and his domestic policies have a distinctly Newtish flavour

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Nope (see above)
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2004, 04:46:56 PM »

The PSOE has claimed victory
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2004, 01:48:48 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2004, 03:29:34 PM »

I liked Mitterand.
Sure he was a corrupt old fox... but so are all French Presidents.
Mitterand had Style Grin
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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2004, 12:28:00 PM »

If Spain had regional consttuencies results (e.g. Catalunya)  would be

PSOE 154
PP      144
IU         14
CIU       10
ERC         8
PNV         7
BNG         3
OTHERS   7

so, litle increase for IU


Interesting
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2004, 07:43:18 AM »

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www.upi.com
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2004, 03:09:47 PM »

A map of the results:


electionresources.org
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