Spanish Elections

[Gustaf]

Really sad. Socialists are going to win.

It would be HUGE mistake to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq!!! It would encourage new attacks in other European countries!

Osama bin Laden: "It worked in Spain. Let's try in Italy, Britain, Denmark, Poland, Hungary"

Exactly. But not even Spanish socialists can be so stupid as to not see that, right?

[Umengus]

It was stupid to send troops in Iraq. It's stupid to retire them.

After aznar, I want see Blair and berlusconi out!

[Huckleberry Finn]

Really sad. Socialists are going to win.

It would be HUGE mistake to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq!!! It would encourage new attacks in other European countries!

Osama bin Laden: "It worked in Spain. Let's try in Italy, Britain, Denmark, Poland, Hungary"

Exactly. But not even Spanish socialists can be so stupid as to not see that, right?

I really hope they do not.

[Canadian observer]

Updated : Partial Election Results of the major parties

Poll counted : 68.46%

PSOE: 43.3% (165 seats)
PP: 36.8% (146 seats)
CiU: 3.4% (10 seats)
ERC: 2.7% (8 seats)
EAJ-PNV: 1.9% (7 seats)
IU: 5.1% (5 seats)
CC: 0.1% (4 seats)
Other parties: (5 seats)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The PSOE have said they will pull out in a few months or so (I think). Not immediatly.

[Gustaf]

It was stupid to send troops in Iraq. It's stupid to retire them.

After aznar, I want see Blair and berlusconi out!

Why Blair? Who would replace him? And it wasn't 'stupid', it was siding with Western democracy.

[Canadian observer]

Updated : Partial Election Results for the major parties

Poll counted : 76.82%

PSOE: 43.1% (165 seats)
PP: 37.1% (146 seats)
CiU: 3.4% (10 seats)
ERC: 2.7% (8 seats)
EAJ-PNV: 1.8% (7 seats)
IU: 5.1% (5 seats)
CC: 0.1% (4 seats)
Other parties: (5 seats)

[Umengus]

Mister Gordon Brown... I hate Blair, not the labour party. And it was against public opinion to send troops in iraq thus I think that Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi must lose elections. As Bush...

[Umengus]

Updated : Partial Election Results for the major parties

Poll counted : 76.82%

PSOE: 43.1% (165 seats)
PP: 37.1% (146 seats)
CiU: 3.4% (10 seats)
ERC: 2.7% (8 seats)
EAJ-PNV: 1.8% (7 seats)
IU: 5.1% (5 seats)
CC: 0.1% (4 seats)
Other parties: (5 seats)

You are very fast...

[Gustaf]

Mister Gordon Brown... I hate Blair, not the labour party. And it was against public opinion to send troops in iraq thus I think that Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi must lose elections. As Bush...

Sometimes the public opinion isn't right. And people don't vote on that issue alone, but on many others as well.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Mister Gordon Brown... I hate Blair, not the labour party. And it was against public opinion to send troops in iraq thus I think that Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi must lose elections. As Bush...

Well Aznar was retiring anyway... the PP's candidate was Rajoy.
Over here, our electoral system means that Blair literally cannot lose.
BTW public opinion swung behind the war after the whole UN shenanigans (=brits don't like Chirac).
Not in Spain though...

[Canadian observer]

Updated : Partial Election Results for the major parties

Poll counted : 76.82%

PSOE: 43.1% (165 seats)
PP: 37.1% (146 seats)
CiU: 3.4% (10 seats)
ERC: 2.7% (8 seats)
EAJ-PNV: 1.8% (7 seats)
IU: 5.1% (5 seats)
CC: 0.1% (4 seats)
Other parties: (5 seats)

You are very fast...

I take the results from this webpage

http://www.elec_gen04.mir.es/congreso/CGF_TOP.htm

[Canadian observer]

Updated : Partial Election Results for the major parties

Poll counted : 83.04%

PSOE: 43.0% (164 seats)
PP: 37.3% (148 seats)
CiU: 3.4% (10 seats)
ERC: 2.7% (8 seats)
EAJ-PNV: 1.8% (7 seats)
IU: 5.1% (5 seats)
CC: 0.2% (3 seats)
Other parties: (5 seats)

[Umengus]

Mister Gordon Brown... I hate Blair, not the labour party. And it was against public opinion to send troops in iraq thus I think that Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi must lose elections. As Bush...

Well Aznar was retiring anyway... the PP's candidate was Rajoy.
Over here, our electoral system means that Blair literally cannot lose.
BTW public opinion swung behind the war after the whole UN shenanigans (=brits don't like Chirac).
Not in Spain though...

Yes I know... But it's a vote against Aznar and his lies, not against Rajoy.

And Tony Blair can lose elections no? He is very unpopular with his lies and conservative can win... (I don't like conservative party but it's better than Blair). and Brits didn't want the war but they are patriots and give a support to british troops.

[Umengus]

Mister Gordon Brown... I hate Blair, not the labour party. And it was against public opinion to send troops in iraq thus I think that Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi must lose elections. As Bush...

Sometimes the public opinion isn't right.

lol but I don't like leaders who lies and give bad informations to the public opinion.

[Gustaf]

Mister Gordon Brown... I hate Blair, not the labour party. And it was against public opinion to send troops in iraq thus I think that Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi must lose elections. As Bush...

Well Aznar was retiring anyway... the PP's candidate was Rajoy.
Over here, our electoral system means that Blair literally cannot lose.
BTW public opinion swung behind the war after the whole UN shenanigans (=brits don't like Chirac).
Not in Spain though...

Yes I know... But it's a vote against Aznar and his lies, not against Rajoy.

And Tony Blair can lose elections no? He is very unpopular with his lies and conservative can win... (I don't like conservative party but it's better than Blair). and Brits didn't want the war but they are patriots and give a support to british troops.

The Consrevatives supported the war just as much as Blair. They certainly won't gain votes from that.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

And Tony Blair can lose elections no? He is very unpopular with his lies and conservative can win... (I don't like conservative party but it's better than Blair). and Brits didn't want the war but they are patriots and give a support to british troops.

Our electoral system is FPTP. The Tories need the biggest swing since 1931 to win a majority of 1.

Blair is very unpopular with the metropolitan elite. But he is still popular in working class areas (which were strongly pro-war).
As for lies... I doubt he would dare tell bare faced lies (he's distorted the truth before, but not lied).

As for the Tories... d'yi know who Newt Gingrich is?

[Umengus]

it's possible... look at Spain (I know, itisn't th british system but a party who has a great majority can lose th next elections) ... If a poll gives a advantage for conservative, conservative wins. I don't like conservative but I prefer a conservative win to a blair win. Solution: Gordon Brown took the party now!  I hoe that libdems will win but is it possible?  I don't know.

I dislike Newt Gringrich. Stupid guy (as...)

PS: FPTP: first past the post. I know this system. It is not a good system. And sometimes, it is not the party who has the most votes who wins. I prefer germany system or Belgium system.

[Gustaf]

it's possible... look at Spain (I know, itisn't th british system but a party who has a great majority can lose th next elections) ... If a poll gives a advantage for conservative, conservative wins. I don't like conservative but I prefer a conservative win to a blair win. Solution: Gordon Brown took the party now!  I hoe that libdems will win but is it possible?  I don't know.

I dislike Newt Gringrich. Stupid guy (as...)

The LibDems have very little off a chance. Blair will probably win until he quits or is overthrown by his own party.

[Umengus]

Still a thing: where is the conservative revolution? in your *ss...


Goodnight and see your tomorrow!

[Gustaf]

Still a thing: where is the conservative revolution? in your *ss...


Goodnight and see your tomorrow!

WHat?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

it's possible... look at Spain (I know, itisn't th british system but a party who has a great majority can lose th next elections) ...

Spain has a form of Proportional Representation.
We don't. The U.K system works like this [all names are fictional]

Llareggub East

Dai Jones   Lab   60%
Huw Jones PC    20%
John Jones Con  10%
Jane Jones LD     10%
---Lab Hold---

There are about 650 seats (can't remember exact number). Whoever wins the most individual contests, wins the election.

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Doesn't work like that (see above)

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Howard is a class A hypocrite (anti-immigrant rhetoric+son of Romanian immigrants=jerk) and his domestic policies have a distinctly Newtish flavour

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Nope (see above)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The PSOE has claimed victory

[Gustaf]

The PSOE has claimed victory

And Europe fails yet again to rise to the occasion...

[agcatter]

Dry run by Al Quida on the eve of an election to see if they can punish a government they want out.  Now that they have their result expect an attack on the U S a week or so before our November election.  That will be a bad miscalculation on their part.  We're not a bunch of cowering Euros.  Same strategy is liable to produce a much different result than they are hoping for.