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Massive FF(genius, normal)
 
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Lean FF
 
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Kingpoleon
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« on: February 11, 2017, 03:45:24 PM »

Obviously a massive FF.
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Kingpoleon
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2017, 05:38:59 PM »

FF. If not for dangerous immigration policy, would be a gigantic FF. Still would be the best leader in Europe, but the Europeans really can't take in and assimilate many immigrants. America and Canada are much more suited for this.

You like him better than Xavier Bettel?
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2017, 08:14:16 PM »


He is, strictly speaking, a centrist. "Moderate hero" is a term used to delegitimize and derogate centrism as an ideology in general. The left and the right have both commonly feared centrism because of its widespread appeal and the fact that it works. Macron supports repeal of actual red tape, and Democrats fear that. Democrats love regulation because it helps their big business donors, while hurting small business. This propaganda has been spread by the left wing talking heads. The left and right also fear centrism because they don't understand the ability to get both sides of an issue. You've heard the expression "Economics is not a zero sum game." This applies to economic theory - in theory, both left wing and right wing economics could work given enough time and intelligent administration of it. The idea of centrism is combining a reduction of regulations with Keynesian economics, staunch support for balanced budgets, and general issue-by-issue dissection. This is too complicated for a lot of people, so it gets called neoliberalism, corporatism, and a variety of other names.
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Kingpoleon
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2017, 11:27:25 PM »


That one is stupid. Centrism often isn't that smart, relying on a more "moderate, in the middle" form of feeling for policies(balanced budgets). Though an economic platform that doesn't piss off all of the paul ryan nuts, populists, and socialists probably has some strong flaws.

Let me rewrite that for you.

"Please try to get as many people to disagree with your economic platform as possible."
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Kingpoleon
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 04:37:40 PM »


He is, strictly speaking, a centrist. "Moderate hero" is a term used to delegitimize and derogate centrism as an ideology in general. The left and the right have both commonly feared centrism because of its widespread appeal and the fact that it works. Macron supports repeal of actual red tape, and Democrats fear that. Democrats love regulation because it helps their big business donors, while hurting small business. This propaganda has been spread by the left wing talking heads. The left and right also fear centrism because they don't understand the ability to get both sides of an issue. You've heard the expression "Economics is not a zero sum game." This applies to economic theory - in theory, both left wing and right wing economics could work given enough time and intelligent administration of it. The idea of centrism is combining a reduction of regulations with Keynesian economics, staunch support for balanced budgets, and general issue-by-issue dissection. This is too complicated for a lot of people, so it gets called neoliberalism, corporatism, and a variety of other names.

I think it is pretty impressive that in 2016, after decades of the low tax-austerity-low regulation economic policies, that you can say that with a straight face.

The reason that regulations exist is because the free market has time and time again proved that is is not capable of regulating itself. Consumers don't have perfect knowledge, not all parties to a contract are equal, businesses act in their own short terms interests.

In the same way, the reason we have high government spending is because the free market is not able to allocate resources effectively in a huge number of ways. It tends to excessive inequality, and is a terrible way to run natural monopolies.

A balanced budget is neither necessary, nor is it even good economics in most cases (certainly not in the case of a stagnant economy like France).

Macron is peddling snake oil when he tells the French that deregulation, tax cuts and "liberalisation" is the magic solution to all of their economic woes.

Austerity, the lowering of spending and increasing of taxes, works during good economic times. That is basic Keynesianism. Constant austerity obviously doesn't work, which is why your rebuttal misses the entire thrust of my post. It's like you read every other word in my post and then tried to decide it.

I understand English is not your first language, so I do not intend to derogate/attack you for your mistake. I apologize for any perceived overreaction on my part towards you.
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