North Korea wont be testing nuclear weapons

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Yep, we're going to war with North Korea. It is among the safest ways to boost his legacy early on, who would stick up for the North Korean anyway.

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Yep, we're going to war with North Korea. It is among the safest ways to boost his legacy early on, who would stick up for the North Korean anyway.

Well the obvious answer is China. I sincerely hope he doesn't start his "legacy" by starting WW3. I mean Obama was bad, but not this.

I blame the current situation on H.W bush. And Bill Clinton. China was so much weaker back then! and of course there were people pulling the china card back then as well as an excuse to do nothing, and its only getting worse.

But no, I do not think the CPC is really stupid enough to send millions of troops to prop up an Orwellian regime, and destroy any domestic and international credibility they have.

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The 'China card' you mean not starting WW3? As much as I don't like North Korea, as long as they're not attacking anyone they're good. It's frightening how so many people have a bloodlust when it comes to China/North Korea. These are the same people who are hysterically warning about war with Russia when there's zero chance Trump would do that.

You mean like bombing Serbia would start WW3? exactly, no because Russia, despite its nukes was simply not in a practical position to resist at the time. Even now when Russia has somewhat recovered, when Ukraine underwent a color revolution Putin did not send tanks into Kiev.

And Ukraine is far more important to Russia as a buffer, than North Korea is to China.

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The 'China card' you mean not starting WW3? As much as I don't like North Korea, as long as they're not attacking anyone they're good. It's frightening how so many people have a bloodlust when it comes to China/North Korea. These are the same people who are hysterically warning about war with Russia when there's zero chance Trump would do that.

You mean like bombing Serbia would start WW3? exactly, no because Russia, despite its nukes was simply not in a practical position to resist at the time. Even now when Russia has somewhat recovered, when Ukraine underwent a color revolution Putin did not send tanks into Kiev.

And Ukraine is far more important to Russia as a buffer, than North Korea is to China.

Ukaine had a peaceful revolution... it wasn't invaded by the U.S. while under Yanukovych rule. There weren't US planes bombing the Donbass. Also, Ukraine wasn't a nuclear power. Besides, the other stuff I've already said should rule out attacking North Korea.

You have yet to explain why didn't Russia invade if buffer states are so important? come on just give it up. Ukraine is for all intents and purposes part of the western sphere now.

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The 'China card' you mean not starting WW3? As much as I don't like North Korea, as long as they're not attacking anyone they're good. It's frightening how so many people have a bloodlust when it comes to China/North Korea. These are the same people who are hysterically warning about war with Russia when there's zero chance Trump would do that.

You mean like bombing Serbia would start WW3? exactly, no because Russia, despite its nukes was simply not in a practical position to resist at the time. Even now when Russia has somewhat recovered, when Ukraine underwent a color revolution Putin did not send tanks into Kiev.

And Ukraine is far more important to Russia as a buffer, than North Korea is to China.

Ukaine had a peaceful revolution... it wasn't invaded by the U.S. while under Yanukovych rule. There weren't US planes bombing the Donbass. Also, Ukraine wasn't a nuclear power. Besides, the other stuff I've already said should rule out attacking North Korea.

Why didn't Russia invade if buffer states are so important? come on just give it up.

Because Ukraine wasn't being used to host U.S. armies like South Korea is. Besides, it did invade.

A half assed "invasion" supplying volunteers . Had Putin been serious it would have looked like Hungary in 1956.

But anyway the US military presence is just an excuse. The status of a unified Korea can easily be negotiated behind their back.

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The 'China card' you mean not starting WW3? As much as I don't like North Korea, as long as they're not attacking anyone they're good. It's frightening how so many people have a bloodlust when it comes to China/North Korea. These are the same people who are hysterically warning about war with Russia when there's zero chance Trump would do that.

You mean like bombing Serbia would start WW3? exactly, no because Russia, despite its nukes was simply not in a practical position to resist at the time. Even now when Russia has somewhat recovered, when Ukraine underwent a color revolution Putin did not send tanks into Kiev.

And Ukraine is far more important to Russia as a buffer, than North Korea is to China.

Ukaine had a peaceful revolution... it wasn't invaded by the U.S. while under Yanukovych rule. There weren't US planes bombing the Donbass. Also, Ukraine wasn't a nuclear power. Besides, the other stuff I've already said should rule out attacking North Korea.

Why didn't Russia invade if buffer states are so important? come on just give it up.

Because Ukraine wasn't being used to host U.S. armies like South Korea is. Besides, it did invade.

A half assed "invasion" supplying volunteers . Had Putin been serious it would have looked like Hungary in 1956.

But anyway the US military presence is just an excuse. The status of a unified Korea can easily be negotiated behind their back.

Sure, if it was negotiated before a war starts. Not if the war starts before a deal is worked out. But even then, you have the problem of how do you disable North Korea's nukes and artillery before it uses them.

This is where is lay the blame on the previous presidents for not acting in the 1990's, while the United States enjoyed hegemony, and North Korea was not nuclear. As for the artillery, Yes that is problematic, but unless you have a peaceful coup some sort of bloodbath is inevitable anyway. Better for future generation not to have to deal with it.

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The 'China card' you mean not starting WW3? As much as I don't like North Korea, as long as they're not attacking anyone they're good. It's frightening how so many people have a bloodlust when it comes to China/North Korea. These are the same people who are hysterically warning about war with Russia when there's zero chance Trump would do that.

You mean like bombing Serbia would start WW3? exactly, no because Russia, despite its nukes was simply not in a practical position to resist at the time. Even now when Russia has somewhat recovered, when Ukraine underwent a color revolution Putin did not send tanks into Kiev.

And Ukraine is far more important to Russia as a buffer, than North Korea is to China.

Ukaine had a peaceful revolution... it wasn't invaded by the U.S. while under Yanukovych rule. There weren't US planes bombing the Donbass. Also, Ukraine wasn't a nuclear power. Besides, the other stuff I've already said should rule out attacking North Korea.

Why didn't Russia invade if buffer states are so important? come on just give it up.

Because Ukraine wasn't being used to host U.S. armies like South Korea is. Besides, it did invade.

A half assed "invasion" supplying volunteers . Had Putin been serious it would have looked like Hungary in 1956.

But anyway the US military presence is just an excuse. The status of a unified Korea can easily be negotiated behind their back.

Sure, if it was negotiated before a war starts. Not if the war starts before a deal is worked out. But even then, you have the problem of how do you disable North Korea's nukes and artillery before it uses them.

This is where is lay the blame on the previous presidents for not acting in the 1990's, while the United States enjoyed hegemony, and North Korea was not nuclear. As for the artillery, Yes that is problematic, but unless you have a peaceful coup some sort of bloodbath is inevitable anyway. Better for future generation not to have to deal with it.

It's not inevitable. There could be a coup, or Kim Jong Un could die, or they could be brought back to the table by negotiations. Again, a war would result in the deaths of thousands, maybe millions. And if instigated by the U.S. when the status quo is peace, it would be tantamount to mass murder. Not to mention thousands of American troops would die and the global recession to follow. Finally, China would not likely agree to such a plan. I oppose this.

Umm no.

But anyway you have made your opposition clear, and since we have made most of our points and neither of us is convinced, how about calling it quits on this thread?