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« on: July 29, 2013, 02:08:28 AM »

Protectionist on importation of goods but not of people

Fair enough, but the mainstream of the Democratic party is pro-free trade and Democratic protectionist elements tend to be more anti-immigration than the rest of the party.

Complain about "Wall Street" but more supportive of bailing out banks, other failing companies than Republicans

All sane people supported some form of a bank bailout.  There were no other realistic options.

But, I think your general points are correct. 

-Liberals tend to scapegoat corporations and valorize minorities.  Yet, white, upper-middle class liberals don't actually love minorities in practice and they worship at the altar of socially acceptable corporations like Apple and Whole Foods.
-For certain people, environmentalism is a superstitious cult.  Vegans are worse than Southern Baptists are far as I'm concerned.   

That's not true. Whole Foods is a terrible right wing Randian corporation. In 2009 liberal groups were holding not only boycotts but pickets of it over the CEO's anti-Obamacare efforts.

I remember that. Whole Foods is liberal though.

The CEO of Whole Foods is a libertarian (and emphatically not of the Randian variety).  The conflict here for liberals is between supporting a corporation that is run according to socially conscious principles or vilifying it for not supporting a political agenda.
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2013, 08:47:23 PM »
« Edited: August 02, 2013, 08:49:19 PM by shua »

1. Supporting the use of fluorescent lightbulbs over incandescent despite the fact that fluorescent bulbs contain mercury and CFCs

Burning coal is the main cause of mercury pollution.  So, the energy savings of a CFL will net reduce mercury pollution in many parts of the country.  If CFLs are properly disposed of, it's not a major pollution issue at all.  Whereas, energy consumption is always a major issue.  Also, CFLs don't contain CFCs.  What made you think that?  The fact that CFL is one letter off from CFC?


which is not remotely energy-efficient or practical in the vast majority of the country.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2013, 08:23:22 PM »

I think CFLs are fairly easily recyclable. I'm pretty sure most Americans live reasonably close to a Home Depot or Lowe's, where they can be recycled.

Yes, I'm only a twenty minute drive away. What a great way to save energy!
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2013, 04:47:35 PM »

Yes, I'm only a twenty minute drive away. What a great way to save energy!

It's not like most people take an individual bulb to be recycled. I'm sure you at least occasionally make a trip around that area. In that case, you'd simply take all that you need recycled in that one trip. I don't think that's any hardship at all. There may in fact be nearer places that recycle them. CFLs are really only an intermediate solution until LED lighting gets cheap enough for the masses.

Most people don't take the bulbs to be recycled at all is my main point.  Thankfully incandescent bulbs are still being made, so I don't have to use CFLs, as I don't want to have to worry about them breaking and releasing mercury gas.  The real solution is conservation as Nix mentioned.  Just increasing energy efficiency can lead to increased use of energy by reducing the cost of the energy used in a particular application (Jevon's paradox).
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2015, 10:54:54 AM »

I hope to god you aren't referring to the Keystone XL Pipeline.

I hope to god you know I'm talking about the military

Maybe the U.S. could start paying people to dig holes and fill them in again.

Here this is called "transportation funding."
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