Article of Impeachment Against Associate Justice Torie

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would point out that whole purpose of the authomatic impeachment hearing was that such in and of itself would then motivate the posting of concurrences at the end of hearings as a minimum activity standard.

Here is something else that I would note, the Justices have made a grave mistake in reducing themselves to just that minimum and no more. For instance, if Torie was avaialbe in the first cited case at the beginning, public postings could be used to justify not impeaching him at this point, even if he technically didn't post a concurrence in that or the subsequent case listed.

This gets me back to first point, an automatic impeachment proceeding does not necessarily mean automatic impeachment. It becomes basically a trial where the Senate has to be convinced that he should not be impeached with the initial presumption at least being that the Justice should be impeached. My advise to the Justices is from this point forward, to post as much as is comfortable in the case threads such as to demonstrate a "presence", that could be use as a disuading measure if they end up missing two conccurences and end up in this kind of circumstance.  This was what I had in mind when I first voted for the Expectations Amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

How extensive was Torie's involvement in the Snowstalker v. Midwest case mentioned above?

According to both VP Windjammer and Justice Oakvale, he participated in what I guess could be considered our equivalent of oral arguments. Where there other aspects of this participation in the mentioned case?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Based on the responses here, I don't think reasonable grounds exist to vote against the impeachment. I think Yankee has the right of it, in that the Justice is impeached until proven otherwise. While Torie is clearly busy, he is also not doing his job.

I really don't like the way that is worded. I know what you mean, in that it states agreement with voting to impeach being the default position, but as worded here implies some rather nasty unconstitutional things if such is not clearly understood. We will make the determination by the vote.

Which gets me back to my previous question, was there any other instances of involvement in the Snowstalker case by the Associate Justice?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Justice Torie, have you read my first post on the previous page? If so, what is you opinion on the possibility of moving some portion of deliberations occuring before the posting of ruling/concurrences/dissents, into the public view in the case thread?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

ME - Vacant
MW - TNF - AYE
NE - Bore - Aye
PA - Tyrion - AYE
IDS - Myself - Voted Too Late (Damn It Bgwah!!! I thought we had five days)
# 1 - Spiral - Nay
# 2 - Lumine - Nay
# 3 - Aflred - Nay
# 4 - Goldwater - Nay
# 5 - Adam - Aye  Cynic - Nay


I count 3 Ayes, 5 Nays and 1 Not Voting.

Unless you telepathically envisioned my vote as it would have been.

I was going to vote a very reluctant Aye, but an Aye nonetheless. I am sorry Torie, but I think you handled this badly.

Good god, look at that class uniformity. It is so stunning. All five nays are At-Large, all Ayes are Regional.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Unless you telepathically envisioned my vote as it would have been.

Let's go with this explanation.

Two years of service together gets you the ability to read my mind, apparently.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'd say this in totality is pretty bad - this does not speak well for us. Is the standard of activity so low for all of us? Hmm.

Few would vote to boot Torie, it was hard for me to cast the vote like I did as it was. Him reappearing just in time was the ticket out and he is lucky he is so well respected.

Keep in mind the vote alone serves an incentive but going forward the default option has to be to vote Aye unless proven innocent for it to work effectively.