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pbrower2a
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« on: February 10, 2017, 11:29:50 PM »

Obama had no problem with the deportation of criminal aliens. This raid changes nothing. Even the argument "don't break up families" fails to defend a juvenile who is a member of a criminal gang.

So what would you do with this family?

Enrique, 41. Native of Honduras. Illegally immigrated to the USA in 2008 with a wife Rosa and three children. Escaped drug violence knowing that he has a death warrant by a drug syndicate in Honduras after nine years. Works in a body shop. No criminal record.

Rosa, 38. Enrique's husband, also from Honduras. Mother of six kids.

Marta, 19. Married to a US-born citizen of Mexican origin. Has a child born in the USA. Attending junior college and does part-time work as a waitress.

Roberto, known to most of his friends as "Bobby", 17. Getting good grades in school. He speaks unexceptionable English, so nobody knows that he is an illegal alien. He already has a girlfriend, a blue-eyed blond girl from Iowa. Her parents were troubled at first until they realized how level-headed he is.

Luis, 15. High-school  drop-out, member of the infamous gang MS-13, and you don't want to know most of his aliases; pimp and pusher. Rumors are that he has killed, but nobody wants to place any murders on him because he would be tried as a juvenile. The police are looking for bigger fish. He might grow up into that role.

Carlota, 12. She has been in America since she was three, so she wouldn't know how to live in Honduras -- especially if she should be stuck with Luis as a mentor. If she stays in America she may do fine.  

Bernardo, age 8. Born in the USA. Mentally retarded with other disabilities.

Teresa, age 7. Unremarkable. Of course born in the USA.

....Now which of these do you deport?

You obviously can't deport Bernardo or Teresa. Marta is married to a US citizen  and has her own anchor baby. Carlota? There would be humanitarian concerns even if she is an 'illegal alien'. Roberto might join the Armed Services just to get legal status, but if he doesn't, he will probably do fine.

Bernardo and Teresa will need their parents.

Luis of course must be deported. If he gets killed in Honduras by fellow gang members, then such is the consequences of being involved in his way of life.

I hope that I have not used too blatant of stereotypes here.
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pbrower2a
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2017, 11:38:47 PM »
« Edited: February 11, 2017, 01:08:57 PM by pbrower2a »

.....we should just focus on deporting those who have committed crimes other than illegally crossing the border or overstaying their Visas.

Isn't that the existing policy?

The Obama policy was

(1) to catch people at the borders, and

(2) deport criminal aliens.

The first can deal with some humanitarian issues -- like people dying of cold, heatstroke, dehydration, hunger, and snake bites.    

The second involves betrayal of standards expected of us all.

So -- do not break up families; family cohesion is both a conservative and humanistic virtue worthy of honor.   
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pbrower2a
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2017, 01:15:52 PM »

.....we should just focus on deporting those who have committed crimes other than illegally crossing the border or overstaying their Visas.

Isn't that the existing policy?

The Obama policy was

(1) to catch people at the borders, and

(2) deport criminal aliens.

The first can deal with some humanitarian issues -- like people dying of cold, heatstroke, dehydration, hunger, and snake bites.    

The second involves betrayal of standards expected of us all.

-Great idea! We should allow criminals into the U.S. to finally transform it into an open sewer like Haiti!

Did I say that I am sympathetic to criminality? So far as I know ICE could deport aliens for shoplifting or check-kiting.

By the way -- your choice of Haiti as a nightmare may expose racism. Haiti is an open sewer to the extent that it is overpopulated and underdeveloped. Haitians can do quite well in America. 
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