FRANZL ELECTION TRACKER (updated as of 7:09 pm, THURSDAY)

[Hatman 🍁]

I think it's obvious from my maps as to whether or not I will count Gustaf's vote. I was hoping someone would catch that

So, it won't be counted?

Alas, no.

[Hatman 🍁]

I think it's obvious from my maps as to whether or not I will count Gustaf's vote. I was hoping someone would catch that

So, it won't be counted?

Alas, no.

     I spoke to my mother & it is her expert legal opinion that it should be counted, but eh.

Shucks.

[Hatman 🍁]

I think it's obvious from my maps as to whether or not I will count Gustaf's vote. I was hoping someone would catch that

So, it won't be counted?

Alas, no.

     I spoke to my mother & it is her expert legal opinion that it should be counted, but eh.

Shucks.

     Her reasoning was that if Gustaf's story is correct, he could claim mistake of fact as a defense for having voted twice. Considering his reputation as an honest person, & that the observed facts are not inconsistent with his account of events, he should be given the benefit of the doubt that he made a legitimate error based on the information that he received suggesting that his first post did not go through.

Wait, you actually asked your mother?

Listen, I don't want to play the bad guy here, and I wouldn't be offended if you all take this to court. It's best to get some precedent on this issue.

[Hatman 🍁]

I think it's obvious from my maps as to whether or not I will count Gustaf's vote. I was hoping someone would catch that

So, it won't be counted?

Alas, no.

     I spoke to my mother & it is her expert legal opinion that it should be counted, but eh.

Shucks.

     Her reasoning was that if Gustaf's story is correct, he could claim mistake of fact as a defense for having voted twice. Considering his reputation as an honest person, & that the observed facts are not inconsistent with his account of events, he should be given the benefit of the doubt that he made a legitimate error based on the information that he received suggesting that his first post did not go through.

Wait, you actually asked your mother?

Listen, I don't want to play the bad guy here, and I wouldn't be offended if you all take this to court. It's best to get some precedent on this issue.

     She's been a lawyer for many years & was a judge at one point (left the bench when I was born). It's not like I asked some random person walking down the street.

I find it odd that someone would consult their mother about legal matters on Atlasia. But, that's just me. Even if your mother was Beverley McLachlin...

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New map. Illinois flips to Senator PiT. (ETA: I also noticed I had Wisconsin wrong)

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     What's the vote split in New York?

80-20

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I would contest that under the 6th Amendment

A person may become a registered voter if he has attained twenty-five posts at the forum. In registration, the person must state his name and State of fantasy residence; in addition, he may optionally state a political affiliation.

He registered to vote before he reached his 25th post. His registration was and is invalid as is his vote. For example - you cannot register in your first post on the Forum and then it becomes valid 24 posts later.

I would argue that he became officially registered when every piece of the puzzle fit, which would include his 25th post. At that moment he would have been registered, starting the 7 day counter before he could vote.

But he didn't attain 25 posts when he registered. He only attained that afterwards so his registration was and is still invalid. That is how this law has been interpreted in the past.

EDIT: For example

Hello! I'd like to join the Regional Protection Party, is this where I do that?

You have to have 25 posts before you can join. Also, you might want to look into the DA or JCP because the RPP is a conservative party, for the most part.

I'm glad someone pointed that out, I was just about to post about the posting requirement.

That example has no legal basis. I'm looking for court decisions on the matter, otherwise I am going to interpret the constitution as I have been: A poster becomes registered when they have reached 25 posts.

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fwiw, I fully intend on counting Barnes' vote.

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But no one told that to Barnes after he registered. I mean, why would he be looking in the "New Register" thread? It wasn't mentioned till just a few days ago, so he wouldn't of had time to be able to register and vote. It was our mistake for not telling him.

Maybe. But ignorance of the law, if this is what we presume the law to be, is no excuse I'm afraid.

That I agree with. Ignorance of the law does not make up for not abiding by the law. That said, I have doubts as to whether this, in fact, deviated from the law to the extent that Barnes's vote would be discounted. I usually prefer to see as few votes invalidated as possible and so side with a broader interpretation of the law, but it is up to the SoFA and the courts to decide this one.

I agree. Which is why I'll be taking it to the court. I don;t know if there are any other votes that may be affected in this race

Your lawsuit will have my full support, and if you don't take it to court, I will. People can't just hop in and say they want to vote and expect us to count your posts. The law is quite clear that you register AFTER you get the required amount of posts.

It's not clear, that's the problem.

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LOL

I totally forgot about voting, then remembered and wanted to put it off for awhile and then totally forgot about it. So, what happened?

Drama(tm).

Both of you were potential voters that never got around to voting, but could have swung the elections. Amusing.

That's what happens when people put off voting for dramatic effect

It's certainly a risk  I blame The Sims 3.

Though I never did get an answer about whether a vote for Fritz would've brought about a runoff.

A vote for Lief may have!

Oh dear, I'm going to have to make some tough decisions.

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Something like that, more or less.

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Oh dear, I have egg on my face now. I was thinking the earliest possible commencement of the election was 24 hours later than it actually was. Jas is correct in his analysis, I would like to apologize for my confusion.

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I have a solution that will appease both sides: I declare myself winner of the election. Muhahaha.

[Hatman 🍁]

Can we please get some actual election results Earl so we can start to move this process along?

yeah, yeah, hold your horses. This one is going to take some time.

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oy. The results have been tabulated.

I encourage people to take me to court. I want to ensure that these results are the most legal they possible can. I hate knowing that I basically can single handily decide who won this election, especially considering it was the candidate I voted for.  I personally am a big advocate of democracy and accuracy in election results. That's why I love being the SoFA. I love being able to scrutinize ballots and making sure the will of the people is reflected accurately in the results of the election. That's why this was hard to do. I hope that whoever does lose this election shows no hard feelings toward the process (and myself), I am doing the best job I can.

One of the big things I pride myself on is transparency in the process, and I believe I have shown this. I am willing to take any questions either here or in my office.