i think the democrats should devise a new type of backlash identity politics

[freepcrusher]

or a "southern strategy" almost. Its what was formated by Nixon in the early 70s. What should happen is that the democratic party should no longer be the democratic party. It should try to become the anti-evangelical party.

Only 20 to 25 percent of the population is evangelical. If the democrats can win everyone who isn't a white evangelical, they should be able to win the presidency most times and have the control of congress that they had in the mid to late 70s. The republican party talked about "cadillac driving welfare queens" 30 years ago, the democrats should try to find an equivalent to that.

The republican "goldmine" was in the white working class. The democratic "goldmine" should be the south park republicans. They are men who are in their late 20s or early 30s that live an apartment and like to watch south park and play video games. They are very cynical and libertarian in their viewpoints so they will usually vote republican or indy. They probably don't care much for the religious right though. The democratic party should try to slightly change their policies to accomondate them and to explain to them that we are "on their side"

[freepcrusher]

I for one am a product of this system. I was neither a republican or a democrat growing up. The reason I became a democrat in high school was because I learned that evangelicals usually voted republicans. I didn't want to be in a party with evangelicals, so I became a democrat.

[krazen1211]

How exactly would that work given policies like Obamacare, which obviously cost shift from poorer, sicker people onto your average south park Republican by regulating age/gender related premium differentials?

Your average 20s to early 30s white male is just a source of tax revenue to redistribute to people who make more noise.

Given that this group of people uses government the least, you'd have to change the Democrats' support of big government.

[Yelnoc]

"Evangelical" does not have the same negative connotation as "Cadillac-driving welfare queens."  

[freepcrusher]

"Evangelical" does not have the same negative connotation as "Cadillac-driving welfare queens."  

well neither did liberal until the 1960s. The democrats need to make the term evangelical into a negative connotation.

[Associate Justice PiT]

"Evangelical" does not have the same negative connotation as "Cadillac-driving welfare queens." 

well neither did liberal until the 1960s. The democrats need to make the term evangelical into a negative connotation.

     If the Democrats had the ability to do that in the first place, they would already be running quite strongly. As it is this is good electoral strategizing, but has essentially no chance of actually being implemented.

[Stranger in a strange land]

The democratic "goldmine" should be the south park republicans. They are men who are in their late 20s or early 30s that live an apartment and like to watch south park and play video games. They are very cynical and libertarian in their viewpoints so they will usually vote republican or indy. They probably don't care much for the religious right though.

The problem is that there aren't very many of these guys as a % of the population, and it's really hard to get them to vote Democratic, or even to vote at all in most instances.

[tpfkaw]

The republican "goldmine" was in the white working class. The democratic "goldmine" should be the south park republicans. They are men who are in their late 20s or early 30s that live an apartment and like to watch south park and play video games. They are very cynical and libertarian in their viewpoints so they will usually vote republican or indy. They probably don't care much for the religious right though. The democratic party should try to slightly change their policies to accomondate them and to explain to them that we are "on their side"

Well I'd certainly love if the Democrats tried to appeal to that demographic, since I'm one (albeit in my early 20s).  However, you just described like 0.3% of the population, so that's not really much of a "goldmine."

[freepcrusher]

How exactly would that work given policies like Obamacare, which obviously cost shift from poorer, sicker people onto your average south park Republican by regulating age/gender related premium differentials?

Your average 20s to early 30s white male is just a source of tax revenue to redistribute to people who make more noise.

Given that this group of people uses government the least, you'd have to change the Democrats' support of big government.

okay but here's the thing. The republican party 40 years ago wanted to press for economic ideas that would hurt the poor people, yet they still succeeded in getting the poor to vote for them. Look at places like King County or Haskell County in Texas. Obviously the people in those counties had democrat in their blood. They also aren't very wealthy counties so they should naturally vote democrat. Yet the republicans have succeeded in getting those places to vote republican. The demorratic party needs to find a way for people who will vote against their economic self interest.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

yes, because the Democrats haven't alienated white religious voters enough already.

[freepcrusher]

yes, because the Democrats haven't alienated white religious voters enough already.

its time for democrats to think of them the way repubs think of jews. Remember when that one guy said "f--- the jews, they aren't going to vote for us anyways."

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

yes, because the Democrats haven't alienated white religious voters enough already.

its time for democrats to think of them the way repubs think of jews. Remember when that one guy said "f--- the jews, they aren't going to vote for us anyways."

O yeah, you must be thinking of the House Majority leader.

[Heimdal]

But how are the Democrats supposed to achieve this without alienating religious voters in general? Because I assume the Democrats really want to keep all those religious Black and Hispanic voters.

[Frodo]

I doubt Democrats will successfully be able to devise backlash identity politics in a way that could help them electorally until the Supreme Court overturns Roe vs. Wade completely -and I am not talking about the incremental hollowing out of abortion rights which the Supreme Court is currently doing- and awakens women (particularly younger women) like political dynamite.  

[Cincinnatus]

"Evangelical" does not have the same negative connotation as "Cadillac-driving welfare queens."  

well neither did liberal until the 1960s. The democrats need to make the term evangelical into a negative connotation.

Is it not already to some people seeing as how you are in the democratic party because you wanted to disassociate yourself from evangelicals?

[Roemerista]

Evangelicals vote Republican, because there is no room in the democratic party for them, not because the GOP is the evangelical party.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Honestly, I think the Democratic Party needs to reach out to the WWC vote--focusing on kitchen table issues in states like West Virginia and Missouri is a known winning strategy, and has worked for liberal Democrats in states like Kansas (Kathleen Sebelius) and Ohio (Sherrod Brown).

[freepcrusher]

Honestly, I think the Democratic Party needs to reach out to the WWC vote--focusing on kitchen table issues in states like West Virginia and Missouri is a known winning strategy, and has worked for liberal Democrats in states like Kansas (Kathleen Sebelius) and Ohio (Sherrod Brown).

The WWC is definitely a good demographic to reach out. But the democrats need to make clear to them that we won't bend over backwards to them unless they support our values.

[Sbane]

Let the Republicans overturn Roe v Wade and then watch the fun begin.

[Napoleon]

You couldn't have found a group less susceptible to such a political ploy. Wealthy, educated liberals probably already fulfill that role.