The Official U.S. Government Shutdown Thread

[King]

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Yet the Tea Party Republicans aren't going to face any political danger from this.  Their districts are so safe, that the only Republicans that could face political backlash are the ones who're more likely to hold a different view on this.   

That's fine.  It's the moderate hero Republicans in swing districts that should pay for not standing up to the Tea Party.

[jaichind]

See

http://www.people-press.org/2013/10/07/partisans-dug-in-on-budget-health-care-impasse/

so far it seems like a tie between GOP and Obama on this issue

44% want GOP to back down and 42% want Obama to back down.

30% blame Obama and 38% blame GOP.

The way I see it, any gap between the two sides on these types of questions is a win for GOP at least for 2014.  Any economic crisis this would be created would be blamed on Obama in 2014 when the economy will not be in good shape.  Also this crisis will add to the cynicism at the government system which in turn will add to lower turnout in 2014 which can only help the GOP.   

[Mehmentum]

I wonder how an option to re-open the government and then negotiate on health care/budget changes would poll?

[Miles]

I though Collin's bill could be something good here; apparently not.

[Lief 🗽]

I though Collin's bill could be something good here; apparently not.

Collins' plan was just as bad as the Teabaggers' plan. Why should the Democrats have to repeal parts of Obamacare in exchange for Republicans doing their jobs?

[Mr.Phips]

See

http://www.people-press.org/2013/10/07/partisans-dug-in-on-budget-health-care-impasse/

so far it seems like a tie between GOP and Obama on this issue

44% want GOP to back down and 42% want Obama to back down.

30% blame Obama and 38% blame GOP.

The way I see it, any gap between the two sides on these types of questions is a win for GOP at least for 2014.  Any economic crisis this would be created would be blamed on Obama in 2014 when the economy will not be in good shape.  Also this crisis will add to the cynicism at the government system which in turn will add to lower turnout in 2014 which can only help the GOP.   

The economy would be in poor shape because Republicans shut down the government and wouldnt raise the debt ceiling and Obama and Democrats would mention this at every chance in 2014. 

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I though Collin's bill could be something good here; apparently not.

Collins' plan was just as bad as the Teabaggers' plan. Why should the Democrats have to repeal parts of Obamacare in exchange for Republicans doing their jobs?

The medical device tax is something many Democrats, including Reid, wanted to get rid of anyway.  The reason the Senate Democratic leadership decided to come out strongly against Collins' proposal is that they've decided to ignore the sequester budget cut agreement and are now insisting on going back to a higher spending level. 

[Ban my account ffs!]

I though Collin's bill could be something good here; apparently not.

Collins' plan was just as bad as the Teabaggers' plan. Why should the Democrats have to repeal parts of Obamacare in exchange for Republicans doing their jobs?

The medical device tax is something many Democrats, including Reid, wanted to get rid of anyway.  The reason the Senate Democratic leadership decided to come out strongly against Collins' proposal is that they've decided to ignore the sequester budget cut agreement and are now insisting on going back to a higher spending level. 

Sucks when politicians renege on prior agreements, doesn't it?  It's a bargaining piont for the Dems.  They rejected Collins' plan.  In the end, we will likely see a clean reopening of the government and a clean debt ceiling rise through late next year.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I though Collin's bill could be something good here; apparently not.

Collins' plan was just as bad as the Teabaggers' plan. Why should the Democrats have to repeal parts of Obamacare in exchange for Republicans doing their jobs?

The medical device tax is something many Democrats, including Reid, wanted to get rid of anyway.  The reason the Senate Democratic leadership decided to come out strongly against Collins' proposal is that they've decided to ignore the sequester budget cut agreement and are now insisting on going back to a higher spending level. 

Sucks when politicians renege on prior agreements, doesn't it?  It's a bargaining piont for the Dems.  They rejected Collins' plan.  In the end, we will likely see a clean reopening of the government and a clean debt ceiling rise through late next year.

Reid has made it clear he's not willing to do a clean deal. A clean deal does not mean repealing the sequester. If this is just a bargaining point for him, then he is doing nothing but making his end game harder by giving something for Republicans to unite against.

[Mr. Morden]

In the end, we will likely see a clean reopening of the government and a clean debt ceiling rise through late next year.

How do you define a "clean reopening of the government"?  At what funding level do you reopen the government?  The sticking point is that further sequester cuts kick in in January, and the two parties disagree about whether a CR that goes beyond January should include that new round of sequester cuts, or whether those should be repealed.

[Mr. Morden]

Btw, National Review's Robert Costa has good sources among Hill Republicans, and his Twitter feed is a good source for the up to date machinations within the GOP caucus:

https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO

[Ban my account ffs!]

In the end, we will likely see a clean reopening of the government and a clean debt ceiling rise through late next year.

How do you define a "clean reopening of the government"?  At what funding level do you reopen the government?  The sticking point is that further sequester cuts kick in in January, and the two parties disagree about whether a CR that goes beyond January should include that new round of sequester cuts, or whether those should be repealed.

I meant that the government would be reopened at the levels already agreed upon from the 2011 budget agreement.

But I see Reid is angling now for a much shorter window at sequester levels so they can negotiate replacing the sequester in the meantime.

I think today is gonna be a big day though and we'll have a clearer picture tonight

[Lief 🗽]

Looks like a deal is close:

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A Senate Democratic aide confirms to me that this is roughly accurate, but adds some important additional points. For one thing, the aide tells me, Dems will demand a genuine concession in exchange for a medical device tax delay, such as the closing of loopholes on the rich and corporations. Democrats don’t expect Republicans to agree to any real concession, so they don’t expect the medical device tax to be part of the final deal.

Second, and arguably more important, is Dem thinking on the debt limit.

According to the Democratic aide, Dems are likely to demand a debt limit extension into early summer — nine months, rather than six – with the idea being that the closer to the 2014 elections we get, the harder it will be for Republicans to stage another debt ceiling hostage crisis.

Democrats don’t want such a crisis. They would prefer that Republicans simply agree to extend the debt limit cleanly. But by pushing this so deep into the 2014 election season, they are giving themselves a kind of insurance policy that guarantees that if Republicans do stage another debt limit crisis, Republicans will pay a serious political price for it.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/10/14/dems-dare-gop-to-provoke-another-hostage-crisis-during-2014-elections/

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

"There is no serious argument for Republican governance right now, even if you prefer conservative policies over liberal ones. These people are just too dangerously incompetent to be trusted with power.

A party that is this bad at tactics can't be expected to be any good at policy-making."

http://www.businessinsider.com/house-republicans-show-themselves-to-be-dangerously-incompetent-again-2013-10#ixzz2huEntyPV