Australian medical expert wants families to pay a $5000-plus "baby levy"
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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2007, 01:44:56 PM »

This is a terrible idea. "Experts" like this douchebag wonder why the public doesn't respect them or listen to their ideas. I agree with Christians and the Vatican on this issue. People should be encouraged to have children, not punished.

Declining population growth is a problem in almost every Developed Country and even a few undeveloped ones. You can't have a functioning society if each woman has on average less than 2.1 children for long periods of time. I know this sounds technical and uncaring, but demography is destiny.

Australia of all places shouldn't be complaining about overpopulation. They need to get move people out of the 5 big cities and into the interior and rural parts of the country. I don't care how "uninhabitable" they are now. Its a waste of resources to leave all that land barren. The rights of Aborigines should be respected of course, but there is land outside the Reserves. Canada and Siberia have lots of land available too. Just because its too "cold" is no excuse for those places not to be developed more.

Because moving millions into a barren wasteland and hoping it would work worked sooooo well in the Soviet Union. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2007, 01:35:20 AM »

Because moving millions into a barren wasteland and hoping it would work worked sooooo well in the Soviet Union. Roll Eyes
Other than the natives getting uppity and blowing sh**t up from time to time, Israel has done a pretty good job of reclaiming "waste lands".  link
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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2007, 11:07:58 AM »

Yes, but they had lots of free, socialist labour, relatively easy access to water, and a hugely smaller land area.

I respect the Israel effectiveness and would like to see some of what happenned over there, but it could only ever be on a small scale, certainly no lager than the Israeli project-which covered an area less than 1/2 of a percent of Australia's land area.
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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2007, 06:55:12 PM »

Because moving millions into a barren wasteland and hoping it would work worked sooooo well in the Soviet Union. Roll Eyes
Other than the natives getting uppity and blowing sh**t up from time to time, Israel has done a pretty good job of reclaiming "waste lands".  link

You're comparing apples to oranges because:
1) Israel still has the Sea of Galilee and Jordan River as significant water sources. THe Australian Outback has none of this, other than maybe underground sources that won't be renewed.

2) Israel only needs short aqueducts, while Australian taxpayers would foot the bill for massive desalination plants and pipelines hundreds of miles into the outback.

3) Israeli agriculture is intensive due to the country's density. A scheme like that in Australia would likely grow extensive crops such as grains due to the geography.

4) Much of the existing farmland is already on the verge of turning to wasteland due to unsustainable water practices. Why expand farmland when existing ones are threatened?

5) I doubt Australia's people and politicians are willing to swallow the bill for thousands of miles of roads to facilitate transport, schools and hospitals to serve colonizers, a huge bureaucracy that goes with it, and so on. If you go on Google Earth and focus on central Saudi Arabia you can see green circles, which are only possible since:
  • They have unlimited amounts of money to spend
  • So they can afford massive desalinization plants and pipelines
  • Even then, the wheat grown is bought by the state monopoly at vastly above-market rates, which is only possible due to the unlimited amounts of money they can spend
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