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« Reply #625 on: December 07, 2010, 03:43:39 PM »

Budget delivered this afternoon.

Cuts to child benefit, jobseekers, carers and disability allowances, and public sector pensions. Minimum wage cut. Widening of tax net, increases in various tax rates, reductions of tax credits. etc

By the looks of things this evening, the Government won it's first budget related vote 82-78. No official record available yet, but the surprise is that Joe Behan (i-Wicklow), who left FF early in this Dáil, apparently voted with the Government.
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« Reply #626 on: December 07, 2010, 05:17:21 PM »

Speaking of tax credits, are they cutting any credits for the movie and television industry?
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« Reply #627 on: December 08, 2010, 04:00:45 PM »

Speaking of tax credits, are they cutting any credits for the movie and television industry?

Not specifically, so far as I noticed.
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« Reply #628 on: December 09, 2010, 05:02:26 AM »

Speaking of tax credits, are they cutting any credits for the movie and television industry?

Not specifically, so far as I noticed.

OK, thanks.
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« Reply #629 on: December 15, 2010, 07:57:27 PM »

New MRBI poll posted to the Election thread



Otherwise, just to note that the Dáil approved the IMF/EU/ECB deal today 81-75.
Joe Behan (i-Wicklow) again supported the Government.
Mattie McGrath (unwhipped FF-Tipperary S) voted against the Government.

1 Government Deputy and 5 opposition Deputies (3 FG, 1 L, 1 i) were absent for the vote.

- journal.ie
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« Reply #630 on: December 16, 2010, 06:36:14 AM »

Well, this will throw the cat among the pigeons.

The European Court of Human Rights has ruled against Ireland (which I think itself is the first time that's happened in about 20 something years) having failed to properly implement the Constitutional right to abortion where a woman is entitled to one where her life is at risk.

I'm trying to find a copy of the judgment, but whatever it says it will almost certainly put abortion back into policial debate here just weeks before the next General Election that already sees everything in flux.
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« Reply #631 on: December 16, 2010, 06:46:16 AM »

Which is probably not a good thing, right?
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« Reply #632 on: December 16, 2010, 06:48:11 AM »

What are the parties positions on the issue ?
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« Reply #633 on: December 16, 2010, 07:01:35 AM »

I'm trying to find a copy of the judgment.

Press release:

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int////tkp197/viewhbkm.asp?action=open&table=F69A27FD8FB86142BF01C1166DEA398649&key=87297&sessionId=63614913&skin=hudoc-pr-en&attachment=true

and here (judgement):

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view.asp?action=html&documentId=878721&portal=hbkm&source=externalbydocnumber&table=F69A27FD8FB86142BF01C1166DEA398649
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« Reply #634 on: December 16, 2010, 07:09:05 AM »

This is the case of applicant number 3, where the Court ruled unanimously in favor:

C.  The third applicant (C)

22.  On 3 March 2005 the third applicant had an abortion in England believing that she could not establish her right to an abortion in Ireland. She was in her first trimester of pregnancy at the time.

23.  Prior to that, she had been treated for 3 years with chemotherapy for a rare form of cancer. She had asked her doctor before the treatment about the implications of her illness as regards her desire to have children and was advised that it was not possible to predict the effect of pregnancy on her cancer and that, if she did become pregnant, it would be dangerous for the foetus if she were to have chemotherapy during the first trimester.

24.  The cancer went into remission and the applicant unintentionally became pregnant. She was unaware of this fact when she underwent a series of tests for cancer, contraindicated during pregnancy. When she discovered she was pregnant, the first applicant consulted her General Practitioner (“GP”) as well as several medical consultants. She alleged that, as a result of the chilling effect of the Irish legal framework, she received insufficient information as to the impact of the pregnancy on her health and life and of her prior tests for cancer on the foetus.

25.  She therefore researched the risks on the internet. Given the uncertainty about the risks involved, the third applicant travelled to England for an abortion. She maintained that she wanted a medical abortion (drugs to induce a miscarriage) as her pregnancy was at an early stage but that she could not find a clinic which would provide this treatment as she was a non-resident and because of the need for follow-up. She therefore alleged she had to wait a further 8 weeks until a surgical abortion was possible.

26.  On returning to Ireland after the abortion, the third applicant suffered complications of an incomplete abortion, including prolonged bleeding and infection. She alleges that doctors provided inadequate medical care. She consulted her own GP several months after the abortion and her GP made no reference to the fact that she was visibly no longer pregnant.
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« Reply #635 on: December 16, 2010, 07:46:20 AM »

This is the case of applicant number 3, where the Court ruled unanimously in favor:

C.  The third applicant (C)

22.  On 3 March 2005 the third applicant had an abortion in England believing that she could not establish her right to an abortion in Ireland. She was in her first trimester of pregnancy at the time.

23.  Prior to that, she had been treated for 3 years with chemotherapy for a rare form of cancer. She had asked her doctor before the treatment about the implications of her illness as regards her desire to have children and was advised that it was not possible to predict the effect of pregnancy on her cancer and that, if she did become pregnant, it would be dangerous for the foetus if she were to have chemotherapy during the first trimester.

24.  The cancer went into remission and the applicant unintentionally became pregnant. She was unaware of this fact when she underwent a series of tests for cancer, contraindicated during pregnancy. When she discovered she was pregnant, the first applicant consulted her General Practitioner (“GP”) as well as several medical consultants. She alleged that, as a result of the chilling effect of the Irish legal framework, she received insufficient information as to the impact of the pregnancy on her health and life and of her prior tests for cancer on the foetus.

25.  She therefore researched the risks on the internet. Given the uncertainty about the risks involved, the third applicant travelled to England for an abortion. She maintained that she wanted a medical abortion (drugs to induce a miscarriage) as her pregnancy was at an early stage but that she could not find a clinic which would provide this treatment as she was a non-resident and because of the need for follow-up. She therefore alleged she had to wait a further 8 weeks until a surgical abortion was possible.

26.  On returning to Ireland after the abortion, the third applicant suffered complications of an incomplete abortion, including prolonged bleeding and infection. She alleges that doctors provided inadequate medical care. She consulted her own GP several months after the abortion and her GP made no reference to the fact that she was visibly no longer pregnant.

Unless, I'm missing something, it was the life of the fetus that was in trouble from the mother and not the other way around. The cancer and abortion were the mother's causes of bad health.
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« Reply #636 on: December 16, 2010, 08:17:33 AM »

This is the case of applicant number 3, where the Court ruled unanimously in favor:

C.  The third applicant (C)

22.  On 3 March 2005 the third applicant had an abortion in England believing that she could not establish her right to an abortion in Ireland. She was in her first trimester of pregnancy at the time.

23.  Prior to that, she had been treated for 3 years with chemotherapy for a rare form of cancer. She had asked her doctor before the treatment about the implications of her illness as regards her desire to have children and was advised that it was not possible to predict the effect of pregnancy on her cancer and that, if she did become pregnant, it would be dangerous for the foetus if she were to have chemotherapy during the first trimester.


Unless, I'm missing something, it was the life of the fetus that was in trouble from the mother and not the other way around. The cancer and abortion were the mother's causes of bad health.
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« Reply #637 on: December 16, 2010, 08:47:32 AM »

This is the case of applicant number 3, where the Court ruled unanimously in favor:

C.  The third applicant (C)

22.  On 3 March 2005 the third applicant had an abortion in England believing that she could not establish her right to an abortion in Ireland. She was in her first trimester of pregnancy at the time.

23.  Prior to that, she had been treated for 3 years with chemotherapy for a rare form of cancer. She had asked her doctor before the treatment about the implications of her illness as regards her desire to have children and was advised that it was not possible to predict the effect of pregnancy on her cancer and that, if she did become pregnant, it would be dangerous for the foetus if she were to have chemotherapy during the first trimester.


Unless, I'm missing something, it was the life of the fetus that was in trouble from the mother and not the other way around. The cancer and abortion were the mother's causes of bad health.
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Interesting, so the abortion is based upon a complete guess?
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« Reply #638 on: December 16, 2010, 05:09:40 PM »
« Edited: December 16, 2010, 05:13:00 PM by Јas »


In political terms, indeed not. It gives licence to the fringes, who care for naught but this issue, to re-emerge and try and hijack the General Election. The Pro-Life campaign have already come out, again, calling for another abortion referendum.


In legal terms, the judgment is quite right - Ireland is entitled to set its own abortion laws and the current Irish Constitutional position is not contrary to the Convention. However, Irish Governments have been negligent in failing to properly legislate in this area to clarify the myriad issues arising to such a degree that women such as C are left in very difficult positions.

It should be legislated, and indeed the Minister for Health, Mary Harney, has indicated that legislation will be brought forward, but that may take some time.

The Taoiseach and Fine Gael have both taken a ambiguous/non-committal line about the issue being very complex and needing careful consideration for how to proceed. Labour have basically come out supporting the judgment and want legislation brought forward on the basis of the current Constitutional position.

I shouldn't expect we'll see any legislative movement for some time into the next Dáil.
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« Reply #639 on: December 23, 2010, 02:34:35 PM »

The inevitable finally happened today...
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« Reply #640 on: December 24, 2010, 05:46:22 AM »

The government fell?
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« Reply #641 on: December 26, 2010, 09:40:45 AM »


No. That happened over a month ago really.

In other words, what Jas said.
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« Reply #642 on: March 09, 2011, 07:56:49 AM »
« Edited: March 09, 2011, 08:01:14 AM by Јas »

With the end of the election campaign and with the votes all counted, methinks it's time to dust this thread down again, now that the 31st Dáil has convened this morning.

31st Dáil
Fine Gael76
Labour37
Fianna Fáil20
Sinn Féin14
United Left  5
Independents  14


The election of the new Ceann Comhairle has taken place. Seán Barrett (FG-Dún Laoighaire) was unopposed.

The election of Taoiseach is soon to be voted upon - Enda Kenny being the only nominee.
FF leader, Micheál Martin, has informed the house that for the first time in such a scenario, FF will not be putting forward a nominee for Taoiseach and indeed won't even oppose Kenny's nomination.
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« Reply #643 on: March 09, 2011, 08:23:03 AM »
« Edited: March 09, 2011, 08:59:14 AM by Јas »

The Dáil's dress code is proving more pliant than some thought...


Richard Boyd-Barrett (ULA-Dún Laoighaire)


Mick Wallace (i-Wexford)


Luke 'Ming' Flanagan (i-Roscommon/S Leitrim)
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« Reply #644 on: March 09, 2011, 08:27:28 AM »

It turns out that 2 members of the Labour Party voted against entering coalition at the special delegate conference that met last Sunday.

Tommy Broughan (Dub-NE), one of the more left-wing and independently minded of Labour's TDs, spoke against coalition at the conference saying coalition would be a "tragic and hopeless error" likely to see Labour lose half its seats, rather than be able to lead opposition and hope to form a genuinely left-wing government after the next election.

Joanna Tuffy (Dub-MW) voted against the deal ostensibly because of objections to public sector job cuts, proposals to introduce water metering and increased privitisation. We'll have to wait and see how she acts when these matters come up for vote.
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« Reply #645 on: March 09, 2011, 08:58:21 AM »

Enda Kenny elected as Taoiseach.

I'd need to check, but it was probably the biggest vote for a new Taoiseach in Irish history: 117-27
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« Reply #646 on: March 09, 2011, 12:02:27 PM »

Do we know who the fourth extra aye is?
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« Reply #647 on: March 10, 2011, 01:11:04 AM »


I think the breakdown was:

For (117)
75 FG
37 L
  5 i (Lowry, Healy-Rae, Grealish, Donnelly, M McGrath)

Against (27)
14 SF
  5 ULA
  8 i (Flanagan, Halligan, F McGrath, Murphy, O'Sullivan, Pringle, Ross, Wallace)

Abstentions (21)
20 FF
  1 i (Fleming)
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« Reply #648 on: March 10, 2011, 01:13:02 AM »

The new Government…

TaoiseachEnda Kenny(FG-Mayo)
Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and TradeEamon Gilmore(Lab-Dún Laoighaire)
Minister for FinanceMichael Noonan(FG-Limerick City)
Minister for Education and SkillsRuairí Quinn(Lab-Dub SE)
Minister for Public Expenditure and ReformBrendan Howlin(Lab-Wexford)
Minister for Enterprise, Jobs and InnovationRichard Bruton(FG-Dub NC)
Minister for Social ProtectionJoan Burton(Lab-Dub W)
Minister for Arts, Heritage and Gaeltacht AffairsJimmy Deenihan(FG-Kerry N)
Minister for Environment, Community and Local Government  Phil Hogan(FG-Carlow/Kilkenny)
Minister for Agriculture, Marine and FoodSimon Conveney(FG-Cork SC)
Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural ResourcesPat Rabbitte(Lab-Dub SW)
Minister for Justice, Equality and DefenceAlan Shatter(FG-Dub S)
Minister for ChildrenFrances Fitzgerald  (FG-Dub MW)
Minister for HealthJames Reilly(FG-Dub N)
Minister for Transport, Tourism and SportLeo Varadkar(FG-Dub W)

The Chief Whip will be Paul Kehoe (FG-Wexford).

Minister of State (i.e. Junior Minister) for Housing and Planning will be Willie Penrose (Lab-Longford
/Westmeath). This position will entitle a non-voting position at cabinet.

The Attorney General will be Máire Whelan, a Labour appointment. The AG is a non-voting attendee of cabinet.
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« Reply #649 on: March 10, 2011, 01:15:28 AM »



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