US House Redistricting: New York

[NY Jew]

More then liberal jews hate liberal christians they hate Conservative and even more Orthodox Jews.

This is, on several levels, one of the strangest sentences I've ever read, and I study Japanese serial fiction from the 1920s.

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[NY Jew]

Espchilly

A most excellent point.

attack my content not spelling (since all you can attack is my spelling, I guess I can assume that the only flaw you have with what I had to say was based on spelling and you agree with me 100% on everything else.)

just for you

5 districts? NY Jew, have you seen what they did to Austin?

please tell me the neighborhood in Austin that has 5 Congressional districts.
Especially considering the whole city (not just a neighborhood a neighborhood that has a fraction of Austin's population and size) has only 3 CDs

Brooklyn was added to the voting rights act because the black community which was bigger was divided in to 5 CDs at a time when NY had more CDs and each one had much less people.

[NY Jew]

More then liberal jews hate liberal christians they hate Conservative and even more Orthodox Jews.

This is, on several levels, one of the strangest sentences I've ever read, and I study Japanese serial fiction from the 1920s.

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No, it wasn't semantic clarity that the sentence lacked.

I'll make this simple
Liberal jews hate jews who vote Republican
Liberal jews hate right wing Christians
Liberal jews hate Orthodox jews more then they hate other jews who vote Republican .
Liberal jews hate Orthodox jews more then they hate right wing Christians.

[NY Jew]

Again, I'm really not sure it's because you guys are Jewish. It sounds more like it's because you lean conservative. Do you really think it would be any different if you were some other religion/ethnicity with the same political leanings?

yes the dems plan doesn't break up SI (if they wanted to gerrymander strictly on partisan lines Grimm wouldn't have a chance)

besides how would this line come across "I'm not racist but I just divided up black neighborhoods at unprecedented rates because they vote democrat"

Staten Island was kept whole for the same reason the Republicans in PA kept Bucks County whole: for whatever reason, there's a tradition that this one area has to be all together, and you can gerrymander the heck out of the rest of the map but not there.

Also, "Flatbush" is a pretty huge area, probably at least a dozen neighborhoods many of which have their own name to begin with- and most of it is African-American, not Orthodox.  I'd consider the Orthodox areas to be separate neighborhoods south and east of Flatbush.  I mean, I guess you could consider Midwood to be part of Flatbush, okay.  Unite all of "Flatbush" in one Congressional district- and it mostly is so already- and I guarantee you Yvette Clarke will be its representative.

in regards to point 1 SI could also be connected with Lower Manhattan like it used to be

in regards to point 2 the Orthodox Jewish community calls anywhere from Ave H to U between McDonald and Flatbush Ave (except for Marine Park and a few small areas) Flatbush.

In fact if you would ask the avg person (under a certain age) about most of the neighborhoods names (Manhattan Terrace, Madison ext. in fact most never heard of Gravesend) you see on a map most would have no clue where you are talking about unless they happen to know a Young Israel that has that name.  

[NY Jew]

Once again, NY-9 is hardly a Tel Aviv West or whatever as Al keeps pointing out. If there even is a "Jewish district" in NYC it'd be Nadler's.

And I suspect Borough Park's carving is a deliberate attempt to prevent someone like Dov Hikind getting the say over who its representative is, something that wouldn't sit well with either party.

have you ever been to Brooklyn  If I would unite the Jewish communities in Southern Brooklyn there would probably be 350,000 Jews there.  Southern Brooklyn probably has more synagogues then Tel Aviv.  Flatbush (colloquially) has around the same number of Jews that Borough Park (colloquially) has and Turner now represents more then a 3rd of them.

[NY Jew]

Mind you by the way I don't have a problem carving up Borough Park either since it's basically the most fascist place in America. A place that votes similar to Iraqi "elections" under Saddam Hussein that is mostly populated by zealots who salivate over murdered Palestinian children and want to massacre Iranians? Terrible terrible place. And that's not even getting started on their views on women...

you don't know the first thing about Borough Park.
though you probably would fit in perfectly in Berlin circa 1942.

[NY Jew]

Mind you by the way I don't have a problem carving up Borough Park either since it's basically the most fascist place in America. A place that votes similar to Iraqi "elections" under Saddam Hussein that is mostly populated by zealots who salivate over murdered Palestinian children and want to massacre Iranians? Terrible terrible place. And that's not even getting started on their views on women...

you don't know the first thing about Borough Park.
though you probably would fit in perfectly in Berlin circa 1942.

I don't have a problem with Jews. I have a problem with cultists who admire people like Meir Kahane and Baruch Goldstein.

you clearly don't know the first thing about Borough Park (Borough Park is probably the most diverse neighborhood in NYC if you base it country of Origin and financial status).  Borough Park has in addition to Chasidiem has Litvaks, Yekkies, Sfardiem (groups which can be further subdivided).  


In regards to Zionism Borough Park is anything but monolithic BP has a huge Satmar population amongst other orthodox anti Zionist (the type that, unlike you aren't anti Semites who the planet would be better off with out) groups.  In fact the groups you blasted for being anti woman are also more likely to be anti Zionist.

I guess you want to make America Judenrein as Sweden was until 1718.

[NY Jew]

Your explanation was good up until the ridiculous and paranoid ad hominem.

BRTD, he actually is right that Orthodox Jews are far from monolithic. Even if some of the differences seem arcane to Gentiles they're very tempting to miss and very rewarding not to.

and calling BP the most fascist part of the country (while clearly knowing nothing about it) is not anti semtic??

[NY Jew]

Your explanation was good up until the ridiculous and paranoid ad hominem.

BRTD, he actually is right that Orthodox Jews are far from monolithic. Even if some of the differences seem arcane to Gentiles they're very tempting to miss and very rewarding not to.

and calling BP the most fascist part of the country (while clearly knowing nothing about it) is not anti semtic??

Those question marks are unnecessary, it was certainly ignorant and I'm glad you explained some of the distinctions to him, and it still doesn't mean that one should use ridiculous ad hominems just because other people are.

first of all before I responded the way I did on this post I asked someone (something I don't think I ever did before responding on a website) if they agreed with me that the comment in question was anti semetic.   Jews have been through way to much for me just to lie over and pretend that anti semitisim is not anti semitisim.  And as long as I am in a free country (though that seems to be going fast) I will call anti semites out for being anti semites.

just as a side point Baruch Goldstein went to one of the (if no the) most left wing (religious wise) "Yeshivas" in Brooklyn (Now it is much more right wing but is still very left wing)

[NY Jew]

this post has so many flaws in it)

I'm talking about how they vote. That the creepy monolithicism.

Dov Hikind runs the BP political machine. It's well known that he is an open supporter of Kahane, in addition to being a homophobic, racist and anti-Christian bigot (he led protests against The Passion of the Christ claiming it to be an anti-Semitic film, lol.)

Dov Hikind endorsed Kevin Parker over Simcha Felder in the 2008 primary in Hikind's own district they voted for Felder 3,461-173 over Kevin Parker Hikind's candidate (52 votes for the 3rd person in the race).  Some machine

The BP vote is based on many different types of jews voting based on their interest and values that more often then not agree with each other.[/quote]

What happens to natives of BP who go on to accept Christ? I have a feeling they are probably completely ostracized and shunned.

so I guess you combine both types of antisemitism old and new.

Your explanation was good up until the ridiculous and paranoid ad hominem.

BRTD, he actually is right that Orthodox Jews are far from monolithic. Even if some of the differences seem arcane to Gentiles they're very tempting to miss and very rewarding not to.

and calling BP the most fascist part of the country (while clearly knowing nothing about it) is not anti semtic??

Those question marks are unnecessary, it was certainly ignorant and I'm glad you explained some of the distinctions to him, and it still doesn't mean that one should use ridiculous ad hominems just because other people are.

What the hell is Kahanism if not fascism? It's Zionist ultra-nationalism and is basically what parties like the British National Party and Front Nationale promote if you change the targets of the rhetoric. Hell it's so extreme even Israel banned it.

I'm not going to debate a antismeite about Kahana, but understand most Jews in BP are not followers of Meyer Kahana.

[NY Jew]

I'll make this simple
Liberal jews hate jews who vote Republican
Liberal jews hate right wing Christians
Liberal jews hate Orthodox jews more then they hate other jews who vote Republican .
Liberal jews hate Orthodox jews more then they hate right wing Christians.

This is so inaccurate I don't know where to begin.  Except to say that my SO is a liberal Jew (who coincidentally lives in what's actually Flatbush) and she certainly does not "hate" any of the groups you listed.  Though right wing Christians do scare her sometimes.

This is a generalization and therefore doesn't apply to all liberal jews.  I'll give you an example of what I mean.  In NYC the people most likely to give Orthodox Jews trouble about keeping shabbos (leaving early on friday) and Kosher are almost always liberal jews despite the fact that they are minority of all jews in NYC (in 2002 Orthodox Jews and Russians were over 50% of the city and the Orthodox community has grown since then) and jews are less then 1/8th of the city.

[NY Jew]

in regards to point 1 SI could also be connected with Lower Manhattan like it used to be

in regards to point 2 the Orthodox Jewish community calls anywhere from Ave H to U between McDonald and Flatbush Ave (except for Marine Park and a few small areas) Flatbush.

In fact if you would ask the avg person (under a certain age) about most of the neighborhoods names (Manhattan Terrace, Madison ext. in fact most never heard of Gravesend) you see on a map most would have no clue where you are talking about unless they happen to know a Young Israel that has that name.  

I'd definitely refer to the area you're describing as mostly Midwood with a bit of Gravesend and Marine Park as well.  I guess you can call that Flatbush if you want, but when I hear Flatbush I definitely think of the areas north of that: the area around Brooklyn College, South Midwood (which is confusingly enough north of Midwood proper), Ditmas Park, Prospect Park South, and a bunch more neighborhoods on the other side of Flatbush Ave. I'm less familiar with.  Kensington is probably too far west to count.

Just to give you an idea of what I mean look at this headline
www.lakewoodlocal.com/2012/02/05/harav-asher-kalmanowitz-rosh-yeshiva-mir-flatbush-addresses-alumni-melava-malka-in-lakewood/

the school in question is on Ave R and Ocean Parkway.

[NY Jew]

It would come across as cynically and shamelessly partisan and venal but I wouldn't view it as motivated by racism in particular, no.

What I'm interested in is why would the New York Democratic Party, much of which is Jewish if the Jewish Democratic US Senator, five Jewish Democratic US Representatives, and Orthodox Jewish Democratic Assembly Speaker are any indication, be motivated by anti-Semitism, and if it's a question, as I suspect it partially is at least to you, of internal friction within Judaism as a religion and Jews as a people, then how on Earth is that anti-Semitic?

explain to me why the jewish community being divided into 5 districts is different from this
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/30/nyregion/andrew-w-cooper-74-pioneering-journalist.html

[NY Jew]

I'm talking about how they vote. That the creepy monolithicism.

just for the record the Only Orthodox area that can truly be considered monolithic is New Square in Ramapo township. (and only New Square not Monsey, Kaser ext.)

[NY Jew]

I, uh...we went over this before?

so you agree we should be included in the voting rights act.

[NY Jew]

I, uh...we went over this before?

so you agree we should be included in the voting rights act.

I didn't say that. I don't see why there's any particular need for Jews (or just Orthodox Jews? You're not being very clear) to be included in the VRA and I also don't think there's any particular reason for Jews not to be included in the VRA. It's not something I'm inclined to be up in arms about considering that, among other things, Congress is much more Jewish than the country as a whole even without the, what, one or two plurality-Jewish districts it's possible to draw?

except right now Orthodox Jews feel better representation from someone like Allen West then every single Jewish member of congress.

and most Jewish Representative are people that are very high on our list of people who we wish were out of congress.

[NY Jew]

I, uh...we went over this before?

so you agree we should be included in the voting rights act.

I didn't say that. I don't see why there's any particular need for Jews (or just Orthodox Jews? You're not being very clear) to be included in the VRA and I also don't think there's any particular reason for Jews not to be included in the VRA. It's not something I'm inclined to be up in arms about considering that, among other things, Congress is much more Jewish than the country as a whole even without the, what, one or two plurality-Jewish districts it's possible to draw?

except right now Orthodox Jews feel better representation from someone like Allen West then every single Jewish member of congress.

and most Jewish Representative are people that are very high on our list of people who we wish were out of congress.

Well that's just tough. The Voting Rights Act does not and should not be contorted to guarantee representation by specific members of a minority group who other members of that minority group happen to like. Political ideology does not incur status as a protected minority for purposes of elections. That is why we have elections in this country. Do you think I approve of every Episcopalian or every Italian-American or Russian-American in Congress? Do you think I feel the need to?

Voting Rights Act (official intent) had nothing to do with the race of the elected official but the fact that they weren't being represented.  The race was just a sign of that fact.

This is not based on political interests but the fact that a minority of a minority group (that is the most visible form of the demographic that currently ranks as the group that has the most hate crimes against is) that has enough representation for it's own district is being gerrymandered at a rate that's worse then the deep south at the height of the Jim crow era.  and is represented by 1 congress member for example that is putting in drastic danger the lives of the immediate relatives many of the people who live in the said should be district.

Just for the record there isn't a single Orthodox Jew in the house.  Though based on the proportion of Orthodox jews in the country there should be 1.


While you might not be an anti semite you would sell us down the river for a dollar.

the fact that many democrats have your attitude or worse is why most Orthodox Jews rightly feel the democratic party is the party of anti semites.


If this was any other minority group you (this is colloquially I don't know your positions enough to say this on you) would be up in arms.

 (please don't side track on this next point and I think you can infer my position from how I phrased the question)

Please answer this question lets assume the situation was reversed and there was gay neighborhood (which I believe you feel is a true minority) that was divided in to 5 districts (remember there is no other neighborhood that has even 4 CDs) (1 majority Orthodox, 2 majority Evangelical and 1 Mormon and 1 that was mixed so depending on the year they could get representation).  If you combine this gay neighborhood with surrounding neighborhoods there would be enough gays to form the nations only gay district.  In addition these neighborhood are the most gerrymandered neighborhoods on every singe level of government in that state (and they constitutionally vote for things like constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage in that state). And on the Congressional level you get 4 congressmen who try to overturn Lawrence v. Texas by a constitutional amendment.  In addition the other gay neighborhoods in that state are frequently split in half at rates more then any other demographic group.  In addition to this they are the only demographic in the state that for much of the past 30 years that truly couldn't care less about party (and only voted based on a few very important issues) (up until a few years ago) and before 30 years ago regularly voted Republican at very high rates.  And finally even though the gay neighborhoods are growing at rates higher then every single other demographic group in the state for the past 3 redistricting overall the gay community in that state got less and less political power in each process due to gerrymandering till the point where most people saw no reason to vote.  This in turn led the community to have had lower turnout rates then areas where many of the residents weren't citizens.   Then by some freak occurrence there was a special election for congress where do to the freak political climate there was an opportunity to vote your conscience and the Republican party put up a candidate that not only voted against gay marriage but said he was doing this to help gays everywhere.  and you finally were heard somewhat by coming out with unprecedented turnouts to win one of those right wing seats.  Then in the next redistricting cycle the Republicans once again gerrymandered you where they had control and the democrats finally tried to give you your own seat in the senate.  Then the Republicans suggested in the court process to decide the seat before a  Republican appointee not only kept take away that seat was just won but they still left the gay neighborhoods with 5 CDs and not a chance to win any representation of that district.

do you still say this?

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if you do say this you are clearly not an anti semite (this means Jews who follow Judaism) (though I wouldn't want to be anywhere near you because of what I said above about selling us down the river).

if you don't unless I'm missing something logically here (it's after 5:00 AM) (and this could only be on a subconscious level (unlike the other guy I feel is quite conscious of his hate)) I'll say you are a anti semite on some level.

[NY Jew]

I don't take kindly to insinuations that I'm prejudiced against elements of my own ethnic and cultural background. Also 'anti-Semite' does not mean 'prejudiced against Jews who practice what NY Jew considers 'acceptable' Judaism'. It means 'prejudiced against Jews'.

Why do you assume I would 'sell you down the river for a dollar'? I have no interest in keeping Borough Park and Flatbush split as they are. Almost every aspect of the division of New York City at present is absurd. There is a difference between wanting a more reasonable split and insisting that a specifically Orthodox Jewish district be created just because you personally don't like the Jews currently in the US House, which is frankly ridiculous. It is not equivalent to insisting that an LGBT district be created (which is absurd anyway. If it looked like it was being intentionally split up to dilute representation of a specific group and not other groups that would be one thing, but in this case almost the entire City of New York looks like grass script and there are plenty of other pissed-off groups, I assure you) but rather to saying that even though LGBT people are in Congress at several times the rate of their preponderance in the population (which they are not, for what it's worth), they're the wrong kind of LGBT people and the VRA needs to be exercised to ensure representation of specific interest groups within that set of people.

This is certainly a horrible and uncalled-for gerrymander, but it's political, not ethnic or religious. The things that you're complaining about and feel persecuted based on are political in character.

What you're asking for isn't ridiculous or even particularly unreasonable but it hasn't got terribly much to do with the VRA and the way you're going about asking for it is...well, yeah. I can try to draw a district for you of the sort that you'd want (it actually might be a lot of fun looking over demographic stats to see how the 'white' areas of southern Brooklyn break down ethnically), but I'd like an apology first.

actually it is 100% based on religiosity (the gerrymandering started before we started voting Republican ) and there is no area in the country that comes even close to this in terms of gerrymandering and it is done even for relatively small communities.

I'm to rushed now to deal with the rest of statement  (and just for the record I didn't accuse of antisemitism (it was conditional) just aiding and abetting it)

[NY Jew]

If it looked like it was being intentionally split up to dilute representation of a specific group and not other groups that would be one thing, but in this case almost the entire City of New York looks like grass script and there are plenty of other pissed-off groups.

It's clearly intentionally split up to dilute representation of a specific group.

Here's the evidence there is 1 neighborhood in the country that has 5 Congressional seats and 0 that have exactly 4 districts.   This group is also gerrymandered in other neighborhoods on every single level of government.  What is the likelihood that the demographic that is the most visible of the demographic  that has the most hate crimes against them in the country is divided for totally honest reasons.  (when Bed Stuy was similarly divided they added Brooklyn to the voting Rights Act)

if you truly believe what you just said I now realize there's a third possibility your blind.

[NY Jew]

I'm to rushed now to deal with the rest of statement  (and just for the record I didn't accuse of antisemitism (it was conditional) just aiding and abetting it)

You said "You are a anti-semite (on some level.)" Ok, so you're not accusing him of anti-Semitism, just saying he's an anti-semite.

do you know how to read?
this is what I wrote

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here's the definition of conditional

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[NY Jew]

I don't take kindly to insinuations that I'm prejudiced against elements of my own ethnic and cultural background. Also 'anti-Semite' does not mean 'prejudiced against Jews who practice what NY Jew considers 'acceptable' Judaism'. It means 'prejudiced against Jews'.

Why do you assume I would 'sell you down the river for a dollar'? I have no interest in keeping Borough Park and Flatbush split as they are. Almost every aspect of the division of New York City at present is absurd. There is a difference between wanting a more reasonable split and insisting that a specifically Orthodox Jewish district be created just because you personally don't like the Jews currently in the US House, which is frankly ridiculous. It is not equivalent to insisting that an LGBT district be created (which is absurd anyway. If it looked like it was being intentionally split up to dilute representation of a specific group and not other groups that would be one thing, but in this case almost the entire City of New York looks like grass script and there are plenty of other pissed-off groups, I assure you) but rather to saying that even though LGBT people are in Congress at several times the rate of their preponderance in the population (which they are not, for what it's worth), they're the wrong kind of LGBT people and the VRA needs to be exercised to ensure representation of specific interest groups within that set of people.

This is certainly a horrible and uncalled-for gerrymander, but it's political, not ethnic or religious. The things that you're complaining about and feel persecuted based on are political in character.

What you're asking for isn't ridiculous or even particularly unreasonable but it hasn't got terribly much to do with the VRA and the way you're going about asking for it is...well, yeah. I can try to draw a district for you of the sort that you'd want (it actually might be a lot of fun looking over demographic stats to see how the 'white' areas of southern Brooklyn break down ethnically), but I'd like an apology first.

actually it is 100% based on religiosity (the gerrymandering started before we started voting Republican ) and there is no area in the country that comes even close to this in terms of gerrymandering and it is done even for relatively small communities.

All right, fine. I'll take a crack at doing a New York redistricting and we'll see if the resulting district  makes sense. My prediction is that I can get it up to about 40-42% Jewish before it starts getting ridiculous.

according to the UJA in 2002 Southern Brooklyn had 333,600 jews (that is more then half of a Congressional district in 2002 redistricting)
for example according to the 2000 census the current 8th Congressional district 654,360 people.

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The reasons why I'm not immensely fond of Borough Park and 'Flatbush' have nothing to do with the religion of the people there, even if I take your word for it that the gerrymander does.
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just because you're not an Anti Semite (and since you answered my question in a way that seems like your not one, I believe you) doesn't mean you just aiding and abetting Antisemitism.

[NY Jew]

I don't take kindly to insinuations that I'm prejudiced against elements of my own ethnic and cultural background. Also 'anti-Semite' does not mean 'prejudiced against Jews who practice what NY Jew considers 'acceptable' Judaism'. It means 'prejudiced against Jews'.

Why do you assume I would 'sell you down the river for a dollar'? I have no interest in keeping Borough Park and Flatbush split as they are. Almost every aspect of the division of New York City at present is absurd. There is a difference between wanting a more reasonable split and insisting that a specifically Orthodox Jewish district be created just because you personally don't like the Jews currently in the US House, which is frankly ridiculous. It is not equivalent to insisting that an LGBT district be created (which is absurd anyway. If it looked like it was being intentionally split up to dilute representation of a specific group and not other groups that would be one thing, but in this case almost the entire City of New York looks like grass script and there are plenty of other pissed-off groups, I assure you) but rather to saying that even though LGBT people are in Congress at several times the rate of their preponderance in the population (which they are not, for what it's worth), they're the wrong kind of LGBT people and the VRA needs to be exercised to ensure representation of specific interest groups within that set of people.

This is certainly a horrible and uncalled-for gerrymander, but it's political, not ethnic or religious. The things that you're complaining about and feel persecuted based on are political in character.

What you're asking for isn't ridiculous or even particularly unreasonable but it hasn't got terribly much to do with the VRA and the way you're going about asking for it is...well, yeah. I can try to draw a district for you of the sort that you'd want (it actually might be a lot of fun looking over demographic stats to see how the 'white' areas of southern Brooklyn break down ethnically), but I'd like an apology first.

actually it is 100% based on religiosity (the gerrymandering started before we started voting Republican ) and there is no area in the country that comes even close to this in terms of gerrymandering and it is done even for relatively small communities.

All right, fine. I'll take a crack at doing a New York redistricting and we'll see if the resulting district  makes sense. My prediction is that I can get it up to about 40-42% Jewish before it starts getting ridiculous.

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The reasons why I'm not immensely fond of Borough Park and 'Flatbush' have nothing to do with the religion of the people there, even if I take your word for it that the gerrymander does.

The population of Brooklyn only has enough blacks for 1 full district. If one operates under the assumption that they get 2 districts, obviously, 1 has to come at the expense of something else.


The 11th district was 74% black after the 1990 redistricting, 71% black in 2000, 60% black after the 2002 redistricting, and about 58% black now.

I easily made a map that kept 2 majority black seats and the Hispanic Brooklyn seat that united Southern Brooklyn in to mostly 1 district and the rest was stuck in with Grimm. 

[NY Jew]

...Jews have the most hate crimes against them in the country? Where are you getting these statistics? Is this reported hate crimes, convicted hate crimes, accused hate crimes, or suspected hate crimes? Is it absolute or per capita? Because...I mean, I don't think you're lying, but I'd appreciate more specificity and some sources because I have a difficult time believing that some of these categories aren't dominated by Mexicans by a country mile.

per capita (sorry I should have stated that)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-incidents-and-offenses
now figure out the rates per capita (though this most likely will lead to a discussion of what% of Americans have had homosexual relations)

[NY Jew]

The numbers of Jews in South Brooklyn you're quoting are enough for somewhere in the low forties if we don't do a total pack, high forties if we do, which is an Orthodox-opportunity district and in which the Orthodox community could probably elect the candidate of their choice in most years (the only exceptions would be if all the non-Orthodox parts of the district supported someone else or if the Orthodox community was itself split), but not Orthodox-majority. The ideal size for a CD in New York has risen to about 717,000.

if I pack to make a Jewish majority district in Southern Brooklyn (by the way my southern Brooklyn numbers didn't include bay Ridge) it would be the 2nd most compact district in the state after Serrano (keep in mind that the Jewish demographics here live very close to one another and there are blocks that may be 100% jewish)

[NY Jew]

(Being gay can be measured so many different ways and is so much easier for people to not tell the truth about when asked that that's really not a conversation I'm interested in having)

I knew we'll agree on something with if we argued long enough.