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« on: March 18, 2019, 09:55:31 PM »

John James, a young black Midwesterner (from Michigan). He is black, served in the military.

He is married to a white woman (that may be a problem in a general election with black female voters, they don't like "Beckys")

Would the GOP base like John James?
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2019, 07:37:39 AM »

Would the GOP base like John James?
He is black.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2019, 08:52:11 AM »

John James already has strong support from the base and seems to have broad appeal throughout the party.  I look forward to seeing how he will further his political career.
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2019, 10:45:33 AM »

No. The GOP base in 2016 could barely be bothered to vote for white Hispanics like Cruz/Rubio let alone black men. John James would have just as much success as Ben Carson and Hermain Cain.
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2019, 10:47:47 AM »


LOL, for how smart you act you really misunderstand the GOP base's alleged "racism."  The racism of the GOP has always been more subtle and based on stereotyping than the blatant, literal belief in racial superiority that the Democrats of the 1860s or the Dixiecrats of the 1940s espoused.  If someone literally just happens to be Black but doesn't embody whatever preconceived notions many Republicans might have about that person (i.e., believing that it is the government's responsibility to take a more active role in, say, administering welfare to poor Black communities), they'll be just fine with them.  Period.  In fact, a Black man standing up there talking about how Black Americans have become too dependent on the government is a dream come true for many Republicans you would label as racist (not exactly saying a lot).  The problem, which I'm sure you lazily deduce as as a flat-out refusal on the part of Republican voters to nominate any minority candidates, is a lack of quality minority candidates in GOP primaries.  Is that a structural problem that points to a serious racial outreach problem on the part of the Republican Party and American conservatism?  Yeah, duh, but it's a lot more complicated than "GOP voter no like Blacks."  What a waste to respond that long in a bronz thread.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2019, 11:11:05 AM »

John James, a young black Midwesterner (from Michigan). He is black, served in the military.

He is married to a white woman (that may be a problem in a general election with black female voters, they don't like "Beckys")

Would the GOP base like John James?

Yes, he wouldn't want to offend a group that's going to vote 95% Democratic Roll Eyes

And it's true that the GOP base is filled with racists, but these people love black people who support Trump and his policies and basically act white - just look at the right's love for Diamond and Silk.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2019, 12:37:48 PM »

John James, a young black Midwesterner (from Michigan). He is black, served in the military.

He is married to a white woman (that may be a problem in a general election with black female voters, they don't like "Beckys")

Would the GOP base like John James?

Yes, he wouldn't want to offend a group that's going to vote 95% Democratic Roll Eyes

And it's true that the GOP base is filled with racists, but these people love black people who support Trump and his policies and basically act white - just look at the right's love for Diamond and Silk.

I'm genuinely curious. What do you think it means to "act white"?
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2019, 01:01:28 PM »

I mean, they generally do like him, so...
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2019, 02:25:21 PM »

LOL, for how smart you act you really misunderstand the GOP base's alleged "racism."  The racism of the GOP has always been more subtle and based on stereotyping than the blatant, literal belief in racial superiority that the Democrats of the 1860s or the Dixiecrats of the 1940s espoused.

You must be so proud of your Party for upholding the standards of “subtle” racism Lord Thomas The Younger.
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2019, 04:19:49 PM »

LOL, for how smart you act you really misunderstand the GOP base's alleged "racism."  The racism of the GOP has always been more subtle and based on stereotyping than the blatant, literal belief in racial superiority that the Democrats of the 1860s or the Dixiecrats of the 1940s espoused.

You must be so proud of your Party for upholding the standards of “subtle” racism Lord Thomas The Younger.

Your trolling used to be funnier than just making shlt up, LOL.  I didn't mean to sound proud of "my party" (as if I make any decisions about it, haha), and I didn't.
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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2019, 04:22:22 PM »

LOL, for how smart you act you really misunderstand the GOP base's alleged "racism."  The racism of the GOP has always been more subtle and based on stereotyping than the blatant, literal belief in racial superiority that the Democrats of the 1860s or the Dixiecrats of the 1940s espoused.

You must be so proud of your Party for upholding the standards of “subtle” racism Lord Thomas The Younger.

Your trolling used to be funnier than just making shlt up, LOL.  I didn't mean to sound proud of "my party" (as if I make any decisions about it, haha), and I didn't.

Who’s trolling? I at least identify with a Party I agree with on the issues.
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2019, 04:24:13 PM »

LOL, for how smart you act you really misunderstand the GOP base's alleged "racism."  The racism of the GOP has always been more subtle and based on stereotyping than the blatant, literal belief in racial superiority that the Democrats of the 1860s or the Dixiecrats of the 1940s espoused.

You must be so proud of your Party for upholding the standards of “subtle” racism Lord Thomas The Younger.

Your trolling used to be funnier than just making shlt up, LOL.  I didn't mean to sound proud of "my party" (as if I make any decisions about it, haha), and I didn't.

Who’s trolling? I at least identify with a Party I agree with on the issues.

On a website dedicated to political analysis, I provided my own critique of some that I thought was lazy.  You quoted my post, put some words in my mouth to try to agitate me and/or make a joke out of my post and moved along.

Seems like trolling. Wink
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2019, 04:33:18 PM »

LOL, for how smart you act you really misunderstand the GOP base's alleged "racism."  The racism of the GOP has always been more subtle and based on stereotyping than the blatant, literal belief in racial superiority that the Democrats of the 1860s or the Dixiecrats of the 1940s espoused.

You must be so proud of your Party for upholding the standards of “subtle” racism Lord Thomas The Younger.

Your trolling used to be funnier than just making shlt up, LOL.  I didn't mean to sound proud of "my party" (as if I make any decisions about it, haha), and I didn't.

Who’s trolling? I at least identify with a Party I agree with on the issues.

On a website dedicated to political analysis, I provided my own critique of some that I thought was lazy.  You quoted my post, put some words in my mouth to try to agitate me and/or make a joke out of my post and moved along.

Seems like trolling. Wink

I mean how else am I suppose to interpret this strident defense of a Party (who you don’t agree with on 80%+ of policy issues) by claiming that they’re not vile open racists but just subtle racists?
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2019, 04:37:37 PM »

LOL, for how smart you act you really misunderstand the GOP base's alleged "racism."  The racism of the GOP has always been more subtle and based on stereotyping than the blatant, literal belief in racial superiority that the Democrats of the 1860s or the Dixiecrats of the 1940s espoused.

You must be so proud of your Party for upholding the standards of “subtle” racism Lord Thomas The Younger.

Your trolling used to be funnier than just making shlt up, LOL.  I didn't mean to sound proud of "my party" (as if I make any decisions about it, haha), and I didn't.

Who’s trolling? I at least identify with a Party I agree with on the issues.

On a website dedicated to political analysis, I provided my own critique of some that I thought was lazy.  You quoted my post, put some words in my mouth to try to agitate me and/or make a joke out of my post and moved along.

Seems like trolling. Wink

I mean how else am I suppose to interpret this strident defense of a Party (who you don’t agree with on 80%+ of policy issues) by claiming that they’re not vile open racists but just subtle racists?


RINO Tom probably agrees with 85% of the GOP on policy issues
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2019, 05:05:35 PM »

No. The GOP base in 2016 could barely be bothered to vote for white Hispanics like Cruz/Rubio let alone black men. John James would have just as much success as Ben Carson and Hermain Cain.

Cruz got nearly 8 million votes in 2016. That's just 2 million less than what Romney got in 2012. Rubio got around the same amount of votes as Rick Santorum. In total there were more people who voted for both Cruz and Rubio combined than voted for Romney in the 2012 Republican Primary.
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2019, 05:07:00 PM »

No. The GOP base in 2016 could barely be bothered to vote for white Hispanics like Cruz/Rubio let alone black men. John James would have just as much success as Ben Carson and Hermain Cain.

Socialist really don't understand the republican base. Otherwise if they did they would realize the Republican base is favorable to Cruz and Paul in addition to Donald Trump.
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2019, 06:04:24 PM »

No. The GOP base in 2016 could barely be bothered to vote for white Hispanics like Cruz/Rubio let alone black men. John James would have just as much success as Ben Carson and Hermain Cain.

Socialist really don't understand the republican base. Otherwise if they did they would realize the Republican base is favorable to Cruz and Paul in addition to Donald Trump.

You endorsed Joe Arpaio.

Lol
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2019, 09:20:09 PM »

John James, a young black Midwesterner (from Michigan). He is black, served in the military.

He is married to a white woman (that may be a problem in a general election with black female voters, they don't like "Beckys")

Would the GOP base like John James?

Yes, he wouldn't want to offend a group that's going to vote 95% Democratic Roll Eyes

And it's true that the GOP base is filled with racists, but these people love black people who support Trump and his policies and basically act white - just look at the right's love for Diamond and Silk.

I'm genuinely curious. What do you think it means to "act white"?

That's a tricky question to answer, sort of like asking what the definition of porn is.

But... I would say that the average black (or Latina) Republican office seeker almost always has to have a super clean-cut image and say crazy sh!t to appeal to the base.


So, since I don't know any brown people who act like that, I'd say that's sort of acting white - or acting like they're not a "typical" member of their race, as seen in the classic trope of the "cool black guy" ala John James or, in a non political example, Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2019, 01:01:11 AM »

John James, a young black Midwesterner (from Michigan). He is black, served in the military.

He is married to a white woman (that may be a problem in a general election with black female voters, they don't like "Beckys")

Would the GOP base like John James?

Yes, he wouldn't want to offend a group that's going to vote 95% Democratic Roll Eyes

And it's true that the GOP base is filled with racists, but these people love black people who support Trump and his policies and basically act white - just look at the right's love for Diamond and Silk.

I'm genuinely curious. What do you think it means to "act white"?

That's a tricky question to answer, sort of like asking what the definition of porn is.

But... I would say that the average black (or Latina) Republican office seeker almost always has to have a super clean-cut image and say crazy sh!t to appeal to the base.


So, since I don't know any brown people who act like that, I'd say that's sort of acting white - or acting like they're not a "typical" member of their race, as seen in the classic trope of the "cool black guy" ala John James or, in a non political example, Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

So having a super clean-cut image is a trait attributed to white people? What an awfully racist thing to say.
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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2019, 04:29:31 PM »

LOL, for how smart you act you really misunderstand the GOP base's alleged "racism."  The racism of the GOP has always been more subtle and based on stereotyping than the blatant, literal belief in racial superiority that the Democrats of the 1860s or the Dixiecrats of the 1940s espoused.

You must be so proud of your Party for upholding the standards of “subtle” racism Lord Thomas The Younger.

There is an element of truth to what he’s saying. The GOP is all about doing everything they can to signal to white grievance racist voters that they’re the party for them: ranting about the libs taking down Confederate traitor statues, whipping up the Republican base over black people kneeling, etc. They’re generally smart enough to avoid saying the n-word explicitly, though I doubt more than 10 Republicans would be that bothered if that alleged rape of the Donald saying the n word ever came out

No doubt. But it’s odd hearing this strident defense of a Party coming from someone who seemingly only votes Republican because atlas Dems sometimes clown on him.
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2019, 04:31:59 PM »

John James, a young black Midwesterner (from Michigan). He is black, served in the military.

He is married to a white woman (that may be a problem in a general election with black female voters, they don't like "Beckys")

Would the GOP base like John James?

Yes, he wouldn't want to offend a group that's going to vote 95% Democratic Roll Eyes

And it's true that the GOP base is filled with racists, but these people love black people who support Trump and his policies and basically act white - just look at the right's love for Diamond and Silk.

I'm genuinely curious. What do you think it means to "act white"?

That's a tricky question to answer, sort of like asking what the definition of porn is.

But... I would say that the average black (or Latina) Republican office seeker almost always has to have a super clean-cut image and say crazy sh!t to appeal to the base.


So, since I don't know any brown people who act like that, I'd say that's sort of acting white - or acting like they're not a "typical" member of their race, as seen in the classic trope of the "cool black guy" ala John James or, in a non political example, Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

So having a super clean-cut image is a trait attributed to white people? What an awfully racist thing to say.

The main point I was making is that racist conservatives will vote for a clean-cut professional who just happens to be black, but if that candidate acted like the average black person does, those same voters would be saying all kinds of terrible things about said candidate.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2019, 04:35:59 PM »


LOL, for how smart you act you really misunderstand the GOP base's alleged "racism."  The racism of the GOP has always been more subtle and based on stereotyping than the blatant, literal belief in racial superiority that the Democrats of the 1860s or the Dixiecrats of the 1940s espoused.  If someone literally just happens to be Black but doesn't embody whatever preconceived notions many Republicans might have about that person (i.e., believing that it is the government's responsibility to take a more active role in, say, administering welfare to poor Black communities), they'll be just fine with them.  Period.  In fact, a Black man standing up there talking about how Black Americans have become too dependent on the government is a dream come true for many Republicans you would label as racist (not exactly saying a lot).  The problem, which I'm sure you lazily deduce as as a flat-out refusal on the part of Republican voters to nominate any minority candidates, is a lack of quality minority candidates in GOP primaries.  Is that a structural problem that points to a serious racial outreach problem on the part of the Republican Party and American conservatism?  Yeah, duh, but it's a lot more complicated than "GOP voter no like Blacks."  What a waste to respond that long in a bronz thread.

I agree mostly with this.

Some GOP voters (but a minority) might be racist, but I think John James (if he has high name recognition) would do well, especially in areas like Michigan.
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2019, 04:47:46 PM »

John James, a young black Midwesterner (from Michigan). He is black, served in the military.

He is married to a white woman (that may be a problem in a general election with black female voters, they don't like "Beckys")

Would the GOP base like John James?

Yes, he wouldn't want to offend a group that's going to vote 95% Democratic Roll Eyes

And it's true that the GOP base is filled with racists, but these people love black people who support Trump and his policies and basically act white - just look at the right's love for Diamond and Silk.

I'm genuinely curious. What do you think it means to "act white"?

That's a tricky question to answer, sort of like asking what the definition of porn is.

But... I would say that the average black (or Latina) Republican office seeker almost always has to have a super clean-cut image and say crazy sh!t to appeal to the base.


So, since I don't know any brown people who act like that, I'd say that's sort of acting white - or acting like they're not a "typical" member of their race, as seen in the classic trope of the "cool black guy" ala John James or, in a non political example, Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

So having a super clean-cut image is a trait attributed to white people? What an awfully racist thing to say.

The main point I was making is that racist conservatives will vote for a clean-cut professional who just happens to be black, but if that candidate acted like the average black person does, those same voters would be saying all kinds of terrible things about said candidate.

How do you think the "average black person" acts?
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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2019, 05:33:01 PM »

John James, a young black Midwesterner (from Michigan). He is black, served in the military.

He is married to a white woman (that may be a problem in a general election with black female voters, they don't like "Beckys")

Would the GOP base like John James?

Yes, he wouldn't want to offend a group that's going to vote 95% Democratic Roll Eyes

And it's true that the GOP base is filled with racists, but these people love black people who support Trump and his policies and basically act white - just look at the right's love for Diamond and Silk.

I'm genuinely curious. What do you think it means to "act white"?

That's a tricky question to answer, sort of like asking what the definition of porn is.

But... I would say that the average black (or Latina) Republican office seeker almost always has to have a super clean-cut image and say crazy sh!t to appeal to the base.


So, since I don't know any brown people who act like that, I'd say that's sort of acting white - or acting like they're not a "typical" member of their race, as seen in the classic trope of the "cool black guy" ala John James or, in a non political example, Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

So having a super clean-cut image is a trait attributed to white people? What an awfully racist thing to say.

The main point I was making is that racist conservatives will vote for a clean-cut professional who just happens to be black, but if that candidate acted like the average black person does, those same voters would be saying all kinds of terrible things about said candidate.

How do you think the "average black person" acts?

Not the way most black Republican politicians do.
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2019, 05:50:42 PM »

John James, a young black Midwesterner (from Michigan). He is black, served in the military.

He is married to a white woman (that may be a problem in a general election with black female voters, they don't like "Beckys")

Would the GOP base like John James?

Yes, he wouldn't want to offend a group that's going to vote 95% Democratic Roll Eyes

And it's true that the GOP base is filled with racists, but these people love black people who support Trump and his policies and basically act white - just look at the right's love for Diamond and Silk.

I'm genuinely curious. What do you think it means to "act white"?

That's a tricky question to answer, sort of like asking what the definition of porn is.

But... I would say that the average black (or Latina) Republican office seeker almost always has to have a super clean-cut image and say crazy sh!t to appeal to the base.


So, since I don't know any brown people who act like that, I'd say that's sort of acting white - or acting like they're not a "typical" member of their race, as seen in the classic trope of the "cool black guy" ala John James or, in a non political example, Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

So having a super clean-cut image is a trait attributed to white people? What an awfully racist thing to say.

The main point I was making is that racist conservatives will vote for a clean-cut professional who just happens to be black, but if that candidate acted like the average black person does, those same voters would be saying all kinds of terrible things about said candidate.

How do you think the "average black person" acts?

Not the way most black Republican politicians do.

C'mon. be descriptive. If you're gonna be racist, you might as well own it.
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