LC 2.29 The Make Peanut Great Again Amendment

[Former President tack50]

The Make Peanut Great Again Amendment

1. The Lincoln constitution shall be amended as follows:

Every bill passed by the Council, before it becomes law, shall first be sent to the governor. If he approves of it, he should sign it and it will become law; but if he disapproves he may refer the bill to a general referendum. The Council may override the reference of the governor by a majority three-fifths vote of all elected MCs. If the governor fails to take any action on a bill within 120 hours of its passage, it shall become law.

2. This Amendment shall go into immediate effect once approved by the people of Lincoln.

Sponsor: Governor Peanut
Council Sponsor: tack50

Debate time for this bill has started and shall last no less than 24 hours

[Former President tack50]

I'll let the governor overrule me if he wants, but for me, not friendly.

I am not opposed to lowering impeachment requirements, but 3/5 is too low. And an impeached governor should not be sentenced to an indefinite non-office holding period. 18 months is fine, and I'd actually lower/get rid of that!

If the governor does a crime he can be sued and courts will determine a sentence.

[Former President tack50]

I will reiterate my objection to the amendment in its latest form

Amendment L 2:56 by S019 to LC 2.29 The Make Peanut Great Again Amendment

The Make Peanut Great Again Amendment

1. This bil shall be titled "Reforming the Office of the Governor Act

2. The Lincoln constitution shall be amended as follows:

Every bill passed by the Council, before it becomes law, shall first be sent to the governor. If he approves of it, he should sign it and it will become law; but if he disapproves he may refer the bill to a general referendum veto the bill. The Council may then override the reference of the governor by a majority three-fifths vote of all elected MCs. If the governor fails to take any action on a bill within 120 hours of its passage, it shall become law.

3. This Amendment shall go into immediate effect once approved by the people of Lincoln.

4. Article I of the Lincoln Constitution shall be amended as follows:

7. The Council may, by a four fifths three-fifths vote of its members, remove the governor of crimes for gross negligence high crimes, misdemeanors, or other criminal activities; and they so removed shall be ineligible to any office under this Region for an indefinite period that shall be decided by the regional justice a court. not exceeding eighteen months.


5. Article II of the Lincoln Constitution shall be amended as follows

7. The chancellor governor shall lead a Cabinet that may be comprised of a Minister of Internal Affairs, a Minister of Justice, and a Minister of Elections appointed by the chancellor nominated by the Governor, and confirmed with 3/5 of the vote of the Council . . . The chancellor governor shall have the power to create additional executive offices with the approval of two thirds four-fifths of the Council.

Sponsor feedback: Hostile
Status: 24 hours for debate of the amendment

[Former President tack50]

Councillors, a vote is now open on the following amendment:

Amendment L 2:56 by S019 to LC 2.29 The Make Peanut Great Again Amendment

The Make Peanut Great Again Amendment

1. This bil shall be titled "Reforming the Office of the Governor Act

2. The Lincoln constitution shall be amended as follows:

Every bill passed by the Council, before it becomes law, shall first be sent to the governor. If he approves of it, he should sign it and it will become law; but if he disapproves he may refer the bill to a general referendum veto the bill. The Council may then override the reference of the governor by a majority three-fifths vote of all elected MCs. If the governor fails to take any action on a bill within 120 hours of its passage, it shall become law.

3. This Amendment shall go into immediate effect once approved by the people of Lincoln.

4. Article I of the Lincoln Constitution shall be amended as follows:

7. The Council may, by a four fifths three-fifths vote of its members, remove the governor of crimes for gross negligence high crimes, misdemeanors, or other criminal activities; and they so removed shall be ineligible to any office under this Region for an indefinite period that shall be decided by the regional justice a court. not exceeding eighteen months.


5. Article II of the Lincoln Constitution shall be amended as follows

7. The chancellor governor shall lead a Cabinet that may be comprised of a Minister of Internal Affairs, a Minister of Justice, and a Minister of Elections appointed by the chancellor nominated by the Governor, and confirmed with 3/5 of the vote of the Council . . . The chancellor governor shall have the power to create additional executive offices with the approval of two thirds four-fifths of the Council.

Please vote AYE, NAY or Abstain
This vote shall last for 24 hours or until all Councillors have voted

[Former President tack50]

Nay.

Having impeachment at 3/5 is a dealbreaker and I don't really like changing those rules. Also I don't think we should be taking away powers from the Chancellor.

[Former President tack50]

The vote on mendment L 2:56 by S019 to LC 2.29 The Make Peanut Great Again Amendment is now closed

Aye: 1 (SNJC)
Abstain: 1 (Griffin)
Nay: 5 (tack50, Zaybay, thr33, Pyro, lfromnj)
Not voting: 1 (Dipper Josh)

So the amendment is rejected

[Former President tack50]

Ok so where are we with this. For reference this only makes the threshold for veto override slightly higher, from 50%+1 to 3/5. Since we passed the Council reduction amendment, the underlying numbers would be:

3 member council: 2
5 member council: 3
7 member council: 5

So this only really affects 7 member councils.

[Former President tack50]

This won't really do much, but it won't also hurt the region. I do wonder whether it is necessary or not and whether we should get rid of one of a few things that make the region unique.

I will also add that in the only veto override vote we have had, most councillors flipped their position. The Gun Control bill passed the council 4-2-2, but the veto override failed 1-2-4.

There is also a psychological element to vetoing, plus Councillors may be inclined not to override in order to not take the decision away from the people (it is a "send to referendum" veto after all, not an absolute one)

[Former President tack50]

Councillors, a vote on the objection is now open

Shall we proceed to a final vote?

Please vote AYE, NAY or Abstain
This vote shall last for 48 hours or until all Councillors have voted
As this piece of legislation has been in the floor for more than 240 hours, a simple majority is needed

[Former President tack50]

Abstain

[Former President tack50]

The vote on the objection to a final vote is now closed

Aye: 5 (Griffin, Zaybay, Dipper Josh, thr33, Pyro)
Abstain: 1 (tack50)
Nay: 2 (SNJC, lfromnj)
Not voting: 1 (PSOL)

So the objection is overruled

[Former President tack50]

Councillors, a FINAL vote is now open on the following legislation

The Make Peanut Great Again Amendment

1. The Lincoln constitution shall be amended as follows:

Every bill passed by the Council, before it becomes law, shall first be sent to the governor. If he approves of it, he should sign it and it will become law; but if he disapproves he may refer the bill to a general referendum. The Council may override the reference of the governor by a majority three-fifths vote of all elected MCs. If the governor fails to take any action on a bill within 120 hours of its passage, it shall become law.

2. This Amendment shall go into immediate effect once approved by the people of Lincoln.

Please vote AYE, NAY or Abstain
This vote shall last for 48 hours or until all Councillors have voted
As per the Lincoln Constitution, 2/3 of all sitting Councillors (6/9) are needed to approve this constitutional amendment

[Former President tack50]

Aye

[Former President tack50]

The FINAL vote on LC 2.29 The Make Peanut Great Again Amendment is now closed

Aye: 3 (Pyro, Tack50, Griffin)
Abstain: 0
Nay: 4 (PSOL, thr33, lfromnj, SNJC)
Not voting: 2 (Zaybay, Dipper Josh)

So this bill is defeated