The Hofoid House of Absurd & Ignorant Posts VII

[NOVA Green]

If alcohol were to completely go away, 90% of society's problems would be instantly cured.  In an ideal world, alcohol should be illegal, but I think that we would have had to do that in the 1700s or 1800s and that the negative externalities of doing that today would outweigh the benefits.

Came here to post this ... glad I don't have these types of friends, LOL.

Isn't this guy like 15 or something? It's a natural view for some kid who hasn't had his first beer yet.

This....

I felt similar to ExtremeConservative when I was 15 or so and now it's some 30 years later and have a very different POV....

Would be happy to buy any Atlas poster that turns 21 their first beer if they are in the neighborhood and discuss politics, precinct level results from various states/cities/counties, and all sorts of other Atlas Geek-o-Rama that we wrangle about on a daily basis.

Not a big fan of Prohibition policies at all, since addicts and alcoholics will always find a means to obtain their drug of choice... Not even going to mention the whole black market deal that comes with these types of policy positions and causes all sorts of violence to secure illegal markets, and won't even go into the benefit to State/County/Local governments when it comes to taxable revenue generated in the form of "Sin Taxes" on items such as Cigs, Alcohol, and Recreational MJ (In States where it is legal).

Trying to legislate public morality has always been a bad idea within the United States, on so many items, which is part of reason I consider myself a Social Libertarian.

[NOVA Green]

Hmm... look, I know I'm supposed to be a good librul and have a good haw-haw at this sentiment.  I do think there is a lot of moral dissonance in play.  But let's imagine I'm a God-fearing Alabamian and actually, truly, honestly think that abortion is murder with all my heart.  It is killing babies.  That means that DOUG is a candidate who is publicly, unashamedly supporting laws that make it easier to commit murder.  I also know that pedophiles are bad, but given the choice between a pedophile and someone who supports murder, I might find it harder to pick one over the other, particularly because I can always convince myself that the pedophile is just an alleged pedophile and that somehow makes it better.

I mean, I believe that the morally correct attitude in this case is to (1) write someone in (but the Alabama Republican Party is not doing me any favors on this) or (2) don't vote.  But, if I put myself into a mindset where I genuinely believe that abortion is murder (which is hard, because, well, I don't)... well, things get weirder, at least.

Obviously, this doesn't excuse the Alabama Republican Party for not putting forward a write-in, nor does it imply that Trump actually doesn't believe the statement as communicated in the thread title (which he probably does, because Democrats don't say nice things about him).

AlabamaIndy is literally the only literate Alabama Republican though, so a write in is futile

Nick Saban.

Also, I agree with the double quoted sentiments here. If you truly belived abortion was murder, and therefore that pro-choice Democrats were allowing and encouraging mass murder, the view that pedophile > pro-choice candidate does make sense.

This sums up my view.  Even if Roy Moore had murdered 100 people, I would still prefer him to someone who would vote to murder 1 million people per year.  Essentially, there could be no scandal bad enough to make me even consider voting Democratic.

He doesn't call himself ExtremeConservative for nothing. sadly I think his view is shared by many, many Republicans.

ExtremeConservative is not a bad guy at all and is as extremely sharp and astute poster about to graduate from an "Ivy League University"....

Although I hate to speak for anyone else, I read his post from the perspective of an individual who views Abortion as a primary reason to vote Republican, despite the horrible actions that Moore might have committed on this Earth...

I spent quite a bit of time in my late '20s and early '30s partying with a bunch of White Evangelicals in an off-campus house, where one of my best friends at the time lived....

On the fridge there were posters that reminded me of classic 1980s "shock punk" style where images of the Holocaust and Factory Farming were juxtaposed with text graphics in large and visual fonts that were essentially comparing and contrasting abortion, with the Genocide against European Jews and horrendous practices carried out by the Meat Industry in the United States.

So, ExtremeConservative reminds me in many ways of some that I used to roll with 15 years back....

That being said, the "White Vote" in 'Bama will consist of many who don't identify with the Evangelical Faith (Look to see massive swings in Cajun Country and places round Mobile), not to mention White Evangelicals that might not be able to vote for Jones, simply because he is a Democrat, but instead will sit out the election rather than vote Moore.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Northern 'Bama, where Al Gore as the last Southern Dem on the National ticket did extremely well, and I suspect Jones will perform even better not only in Huntsville Metro, but also within the rural and smaller cities and towns in this part of the State....

Not sure what part of 'Bama AlabamaIndy comes from, but his takes on the '17 US-SEN special election might be more interesting and accurate than ExtremeConservative, who has a pretty good handle on Tennessee politics, but not necessarily transferable insights into other parts of the Region.

[NOVA Green]

Well, now that it's over I can honestly say that it's time to get behind Lipinski, if only to show the rest of the Country that we in the state of Illinois overwhelmingly hate Illinois Nazis.

Thank you for this very mature statement. It is everyone's job to push back against neo-nazis.

It's too late. The guy already got 12,000 votes. It's the biggest show of support for Nazism in American history. And if he loses in a landslide in November, he'll just point to Le Pen's loss in 2002 and reassert that history is on his side.

Most of those people probably were not aware of that, especially with only one candidate. Despite the numbers, we should always push back against neo-nazis.

I'm a bit late to the thread, as I just recently got off work and then had had to do a system restore thanks to Microsoft....

So from what I gather we had a Conservative Democratic that is Anti-Choice win in a heavily Democratic district in Chicago and the immediate suburban areas against a Progressive and Pro-Choice Dem?

The part that I might well be missing here is where is Lipinski's record or history as a Neo-Nazi or European style Fascist?

I don't take this lightly, considering that my Sister is Jewish and in my younger years a few decades back participated in various "Antifa" style demonstrations against the Nazi scum trying to take over our neighborhoods in the Pacific Northwest as well as the Industrial States of the Midwest, and a few years after getting out of College in the Midwest came back to my small Oregon Town and within a year a Native American Homeless man was murdered by two White Supremacists barely a year out of the State Pen....

Hey---- I would rather the Progressive Dem have won this race, but anyone accusing a Polish-American of being a Nazi sounds a bit off in my book...

But since I was late to the Party and most of the thread appears to have been various arguments regarding Abortion and the like and various hyperbole between several different Atlas factions instead of maybe some awesome precinct and ward maps for this primary compared and contrasted against '16 and '08 DEM PRES PRIM results, not to mention statewide Primary elections maybe matched up with Socio-Demographic Maps of CD-03, etc....

Alas, I left this thread feeling emptier than I did before I started reading, and no hard feelings to anyone involved in the passion of the moment....

So Lipinsky will likely limp along until 2020 where he loses with a higher Primary turnout and still votes overwhelmingly with the Dems in the 'House on in the interim on virtually all significant issues.

I recall writing a 300 College Level History 15 Page paper back in the early '90s about changing and comparative voting habits in Chicago between 1848 and 1860 as various Ethnic Europeans moved into the cities in large numbers when it was the fastest growing town in America.

Chicago is one of those cities where Ethnic Politics still play heavy, especially in a Democratic Primary.

Fine... the US House doesn't determine Reproductive Rights nor Marriage Equality, and let's say the House flips in 2018, this guy will likely be on the same train as most Dems.

 Progressives move on, nothing to see here and there's another election down in the line in a Safe Dem district.

calling opponents of aboriton "anti-choice" is dumb but otherwise I don't see how this is a bad post.

BRTD has had some issues with me going a few years back, and I suspect that I am just his favorite whipping boy of the day, less for the content of my post and more for the Antifa European image I posted on the bottom of the post....

BRTD although he is an extremely intelligent and educated individual on a wide variety of issues suffers from the classic "Atlas Godfather" style of posting history, where instead of providing much in the real way of any significant insights to the subject at hand, allows his egotistic and self-aggrandizing ego to run amok because of his extensive posting history over the past decade.

In recent years, unfortunately his quality of posting has degenerated dramatically to the point where his excessively combative style of discussion has not only alienated most Republicans/Independent/ 3rd Party avatar, and even the vast majority of Democratic avatars that have been around these parts for a decade, to the point he now mainly resides within the oasis of AAD, where roughly 50% of his time is spent critiquing posters on Public Atlas without their knowledge and occasionally shows up on "Old Atlas" to flame posters on a wide variety of issues. (Allow yourself to be invited to AAD if you don't believe me).

Quite frankly if I wasn't in my '40s would be halfway tempted to put the guy on "Ignore", since the only reason I can think why he singles out various "Old Atlas" individuals at various times is because  we might have disagreed with him during the 2016 Democratic Primaries, Foreign Policy Issues, being too friendly with Republican Posters on Atlas, etc....

Don't know what the Dude's issues are, but trust me his recent behavior over the past two to three years has become extremely erratic and essentially promoting a single individual's vision of ideological puritanism where any kind of rationale debate and discussion has become sacrificed under the altar of the "BRTD Universe"....

Just my two cents, and if the BRTD Dude sitting on his fat couch all day gets his rocks off trying to score cheap points after I logged into Atlas after a 12 Hour Factory shift to look at the results from IL wants to call my post "absurd or ignorant", maybe he should walk the shop floor with me and my fellow workers to see how well his faux Liberal intellectualism plays when it comes to the major social, political, and economic issues of our times.

OK---- probably slightly overdid it there slightly deliberately on excessive hyberbole, so that BRTD will requote this as another "absurd and ignorant post", or go over to AAD to see how many times he has posted the previous and the current, as he does on a daily basis and is his favorite thread on that Forum.

[NOVA Green]

Well, now that it's over I can honestly say that it's time to get behind Lipinski, if only to show the rest of the Country that we in the state of Illinois overwhelmingly hate Illinois Nazis.

Thank you for this very mature statement. It is everyone's job to push back against neo-nazis.

It's too late. The guy already got 12,000 votes. It's the biggest show of support for Nazism in American history. And if he loses in a landslide in November, he'll just point to Le Pen's loss in 2002 and reassert that history is on his side.

Most of those people probably were not aware of that, especially with only one candidate. Despite the numbers, we should always push back against neo-nazis.

I'm a bit late to the thread, as I just recently got off work and then had had to do a system restore thanks to Microsoft....

So from what I gather we had a Conservative Democratic that is Anti-Choice win in a heavily Democratic district in Chicago and the immediate suburban areas against a Progressive and Pro-Choice Dem?

The part that I might well be missing here is where is Lipinski's record or history as a Neo-Nazi or European style Fascist?

I don't take this lightly, considering that my Sister is Jewish and in my younger years a few decades back participated in various "Antifa" style demonstrations against the Nazi scum trying to take over our neighborhoods in the Pacific Northwest as well as the Industrial States of the Midwest, and a few years after getting out of College in the Midwest came back to my small Oregon Town and within a year a Native American Homeless man was murdered by two White Supremacists barely a year out of the State Pen....

Hey---- I would rather the Progressive Dem have won this race, but anyone accusing a Polish-American of being a Nazi sounds a bit off in my book...

But since I was late to the Party and most of the thread appears to have been various arguments regarding Abortion and the like and various hyperbole between several different Atlas factions instead of maybe some awesome precinct and ward maps for this primary compared and contrasted against '16 and '08 DEM PRES PRIM results, not to mention statewide Primary elections maybe matched up with Socio-Demographic Maps of CD-03, etc....

Alas, I left this thread feeling emptier than I did before I started reading, and no hard feelings to anyone involved in the passion of the moment....

So Lipinsky will likely limp along until 2020 where he loses with a higher Primary turnout and still votes overwhelmingly with the Dems in the 'House on in the interim on virtually all significant issues.

I recall writing a 300 College Level History 15 Page paper back in the early '90s about changing and comparative voting habits in Chicago between 1848 and 1860 as various Ethnic Europeans moved into the cities in large numbers when it was the fastest growing town in America.

Chicago is one of those cities where Ethnic Politics still play heavy, especially in a Democratic Primary.

Fine... the US House doesn't determine Reproductive Rights nor Marriage Equality, and let's say the House flips in 2018, this guy will likely be on the same train as most Dems.

 Progressives move on, nothing to see here and there's another election down in the line in a Safe Dem district.

calling opponents of aboriton "anti-choice" is dumb but otherwise I don't see how this is a bad post.

Because it's talking about people calling Lipinski a Nazi when that very clearly was about his Republican opponent. No one actually called Lipinski a Nazi.

FINE, as my wife sometimes says in a wide variety of intonations depending upon the circumstances....

As I pretty clearly stated at the beginning of my post, I had just gotten off working a swing-shift job on the West Coast and was just dialing in on the election results.

Additionally, I had to wade through pages and pages in a short period of time to get caught up, since on election nights where I rarely have the luxury of being able to follow results in real time in Central and Eastern Time Zone districts, and usually start by looking at the topline numbers elsewhere and then going back to the beginning of the Atlas Election thread, in order to be able to at least feel like I am seeing the results, discussion, and analysis coming in live.

The vast majority of these posts were arguments regarding abortion, and Lipinski's Conservative Dem voting record, many of which were verging on the absurd when it came to the candidates and race in question.

For YOU and some of the others observing this live, it was "obvious", to many of the rest of us it wasn't nearly as obvious as you make it out to be.

I might give you a few points in the BRTD Tennis match for the "absurd" category since I said:

"The part that I might well be missing here is where is Lipinski's record or history as a Neo-Nazi or European style Fascist?" and a few paragraphs later:

"Hey---- I would rather the Progressive Dem have won this race, but anyone accusing a Polish-American of being a Nazi sounds a bit off in my book..."

Still, anyone that actually read my full post realized that I was just logging into the election results, not realizing that a Neo-Nazi won the 'Pub Primary (Since most of the wrangling was about the Dem Primary results), and basically saying let's move forward and does anyone have maps about the various shifts within the Democratic Coalition within this district....

BRTD: Although I'll give you a few minor points for the "absurd" section of this sub-forum for my post, and certainly respect your overall knowledge, intellect, and background on a wide variety of political, social, and economic issues, I still stand by my "constructive" criticism regarding your tendency to "Seagull" Old Atlas, then repost on Atlas After Dark (AAD), especially when it involves posters with whom in the past you have had fundamental disagreements with on a wide variety of topics, and essentially in recent years take cheap pot shots, and then retreat elsewhere to show how bad Atlas Forum is, despite the fact that there are still some "Old Skool" posters still here such as myself with 10 Years of posting history, that are willing to discuss, debate, and analyze a variety of political items, regardless of the posters avatar, party identification, political positions, age, etc.....

I still stick around this joint for one of my major hobbies, doing deeper dives into election results down to the precinct and demographic level with compare/contrast etc, and honestly this is the best place currently on the internet where one can conduct research projects based upon raw data, run it through peer review for discussion and debate in order to contribute to the overall body of knowledge....

Almost all of my posts are generally data driven detailed election result analysis overlapped with demographics and Census Data, and I rarely dive into many of the sub-forums, and believe that I have provided a significant benefit in my posts, without hiding behind a Paywall or invite-only private Forum, to contribute the overall Political Science body of knowledge.

Sir, what lately have you done to contribute the scientific pursuit of American Political Science on Old Atlas?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Seagull

[NOVA Green]

Oh my God this is SOOOOO dumb.

This is interesting.

Also a question - are non natives living in tribal land under tribal jurisdiction?

Lack of precedent. Non-natives can’t live on reservations.

I ACTUALLY LIVED ON A RESERVATION FOR NINE YEARS HOW CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG

Yeah gotta agree that Kingpoleon should I have checked on this or posted as a question before stating as fact....

I suspect that many of us that that have lived within places like the Pacific Northwest / Mountain West/ Upper Midwest, as well as parts of the Great Plains, Upstate New York, and New England for any significant period of time tend to be a bit more aware of the whole Native Lands (Reservation) scene than those who grew up in the Southeast and many parts of the Central Atlantic States....

It's not unusual at all to have "Non-Natives" living on Native Land for a wide variety of reasons, with one of the most common being individuals employed by Tribal Corporate entities, not to mention that part of the "forced assimilation" of Native Americans, involved shifting Collective Property to Private Property, so obviously in many situations Natives can rent/sell to Non-Natives, even on Native Land.

[NOVA Green]

Heh, my church has talked about and condemned police shootings, frequently talks about issues of violence in black communities, and condemns Trump a lot and we still don't have any black members.

Hard to find black people in Minnesota

Hey man, it's 6.2% black. Maybe you live in the one area of MN where there are actually black people, but those rural areas are like 97% white.

And there's a black mayor in Helena Montana, but that doesn't mean Montana has many black people...

"The one part"...yeah the part that's by far the most populated, yes.

The black population of Minnesota is comparable to the black population of Washington DC in raw numbers.

This flame war about the number of blacks in Minnesota is absurd. And more to the point, is that BRTD was talking about his church, which I suspect either is in an integrated neighborhood, and/or quite near a black neighborhood, yet has no blacks in it despite being progressive on race and other matters. That was his point, and only point, and yet off the conversation went into the abyss.

Sounds like a typical BRTD "Seagull" maneuver once again...

His only contributions on Atlas these days, as a pale former shadow of his former glories, is once again to post crap against "Old Atlas" posters in order to feed his ego by re-posting on AAD about how reprehensible "Old Atlas" is....

BRTD is a sharp dude and has many valuable opinions to offer on a wide variety of topics, but once again his whole deal is apparently to make every single conversation about him, as opposed to some of the more insightful and detailed analysis that he used to provide as recently as 2-4 years back on "Old Atlas".

Got no time, attention, nor the desire, to focus posts simply based upon the hubris and ego of one individual poster on Atlas, that lacks the desire, will, nor intellectual capabilities to discuss nor debate critical political, social, economic, nor foreign policy issues of the Modern Times in which we all currently reside.

[NOVA Green]

Heh, my church has talked about and condemned police shootings, frequently talks about issues of violence in black communities, and condemns Trump a lot and we still don't have any black members.

Hard to find black people in Minnesota

Hey man, it's 6.2% black. Maybe you live in the one area of MN where there are actually black people, but those rural areas are like 97% white.

And there's a black mayor in Helena Montana, but that doesn't mean Montana has many black people...

"The one part"...yeah the part that's by far the most populated, yes.

The black population of Minnesota is comparable to the black population of Washington DC in raw numbers.

This flame war about the number of blacks in Minnesota is absurd. And more to the point, is that BRTD was talking about his church, which I suspect either is in an integrated neighborhood, and/or quite near a black neighborhood, yet has no blacks in it despite being progressive on race and other matters. That was his point, and only point, and yet off the conversation went into the abyss.

Sounds like a typical BRTD "Seagull" maneuver once again...

His only contributions on Atlas these days, as a pale former shadow of his former glories, is once again to post crap against "Old Atlas" posters in order to feed his ego by re-posting on AAD about how reprehensible "Old Atlas" is....

BRTD is a sharp dude and has many valuable opinions to offer on a wide variety of topics, but once again his whole deal is apparently to make every single conversation about him, as opposed to some of the more insightful and detailed analysis that he used to provide as recently as 2-4 years back on "Old Atlas".

Got no time, attention, nor the desire, to focus posts simply based upon the hubris and ego of one individual poster on Atlas, that lacks the desire, will, nor intellectual capabilities to discuss nor debate critical political, social, economic, nor foreign policy issues of the Modern Times in which we all currently reside.

Re, did you read context at all? Torie is basically correct in the summary.

The post wasn't a major point but someone replied to it saying that there's basically no blacks in Minnesota at all, an absurd statement. And then everyone missed my point by talking about how other places have a higher black population than Minnesota which does not disprove the thesis. "This place has a higher black population than Minnesota" does not mean that Minnesota has a near neglible black population. And then the red herring if how Minnesota has a lot of lily white rural counties....because that's not the part I'm talking about.

Well to be fair I did read the original context, and was actually fairly sympathetic to your argument.

I guess sometimes what rubs me a bit raw with your more recent posting history on Atlas if essentially more like what sometimes feels like "Gotcha Games" where instead of engaging in more detailed conversations, over the past few years you have exhibited an extreme tendency towards posting on the "Absurd and Ignorant Posts of Atlas Thread" while simultaneously essentially ragging on and dissing the vast majority of the posters on "Old Atlas" behind the paywall of AAD.

If I weren't aware of how in recent years you essentially selectively "Strip Mine" Old Atlas for whatever reason to post elsewhere on the Internets, I guess I might be a bit less likely to call out your MO.

Actually, I agree with you on a wide variety of substantive issues, much more than you might suspect, but quite frankly your style and the means in which you conduct political discussion and debate on "Old Atlas" quite frankly rubs me the wrong way tbh.

Maybe spend a bit more time contributing to "Old Atlas" on substantive posts, as you did not so many years back, rather than using it as a platform for promote yourself elsewhere on the Internets???     

Anyways, fine you're right and point taken on the individual subject at hand.

[NOVA Green]

When Trump said “there are fine people on both sides” he implied that some of the counter-protestors were not white nationalists. Of course, the media ignored the fact that a sizable portion of those protesting the statue’s removal were run of the mill conservatives and labeled everyone who showed up as “white nationalists” because a handful of actual Nazis showed up the night before and did their lame little tiki march. It became a much broader event.

The fact that Antifa showed no discrimination in attacking the demonstrators shows how irresponsible and outright false our media has become. There will be other posters who will respond to this assuredly by insulting me, continuing to perpetuate the “official” narrative, and then lament the division in the country in a typical three act Atlas play.

But to continue the trope that Trump endorsed white supremacy after Charlottesville, or that both sides were basically black and white in terms of the context of responsibility, than you’re either willfully or inadvertently only worsening the divide.

Once again CocaineSanchez you are in a best case scenario you are showing your extreme ignorance and lack of understanding regarding the political formations and their history, background, and tactics regarding the White Supremacist Movement in the United States of America.

This was explicitly organized as a coalition effort among some of the most hard-line Neo-Nazi and White Supremacist organizations from throughout the US, in what has become an extremely fragmented political movement in recent years....

The goal was to unite the Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist Movement, and additionally draw in a ton of new recruits drawn by the increasing change of the guard where the "alt.right" on the dark-web was increasingly usurping the traditional hierarchical rule of the "old guard" of the Movement....

This was explicitly billed on their social media websites essentially as a "Unite the Fascists Movement"....

Now in a worst case scenario, once again you are essentially dissembling and trying to create a false narrative that downplays the role of White Supremacists for whatever motivation...

[NOVA Green]

Why is there anything to explain lol. A low turnout special election does not resemble the electorate of a midterm, and the reason that the special itself was so close was because the Democrat ran a progressive campaign that appealed to the base, something Sinema is not doing.

Describing the AZ-08 special as "low turnout". LOL!

Agreed.... UncleSam maybe needs to spend a little less time on empty posts and more time on actually researching certain topics before he posts.

Here's the link the AZ CD-08 Special Election thread that I spent likely 50 Hours of time or more working on, not to mention so many other contributors...

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=287204.msg6145550#msg6145550

AZ CD-08 Low Turnout Election is obviously fake news from UncleSam....

[NOVA Green]

The "joke" is utterly beaten to death and clogging up and ruining what should be an interesting thread. Ideally we'd have another thread...to cover those polls without that stupid "joke" spamming up every page and making the thread unreadable.

The BRTD asylum for anal and obsesisve posts?

The BRTD Bathroom of Butthurt Bull

Well, although I don't believe in online bullying, appreciating all of the humor involved, the fundamental critique of BRTD's posting history occasionally appears to represent certain factions of the broader Atlas Community within a holistic context.

As BRTDs Personal Attorney, I would humbly advise that we view the "Portrait of BRTD as a Young Artist", when it comes to determining the overall guilt or innocence of my client.

It started in the Student and Alternative Ghettos of Minneapolis in the early days of Punk Rock, Alt College Music, Heavy Metal, and Hip-Hop....



In consideration of my client's personal character, background, and history, I move that the grave charges against my client be dismissed in All the Eyes of Atlas and he be immediately be released on Probation, so long as such offenses will not recur within the next 90 Days.

*** Judge bangs gavel and approves the Lawyer for the Defense Motion and provides verdict ***