SB 19-41: G.I. Joe Act (Debating)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

G.I. JOE ACT

HOUSE BILL

SECTION I: NAME
a. This law shall be known as the G.I. Joe Act

SECTION II: WEAPONS PROGRAMS ELIMINATIONS
a. The following military weapons programs shall be eliminated:
   1. Eliminate B61 Nuclear Bomb Life Extension Program;
   2. Eliminate B83 Nuclear program excepting 100 for use against asteroids;
   3. Eliminate C-130 Avionics Modernization Program;
   4. Eliminate C-17 Transport Aircraft Program;
   5. Eliminate C-27 Joint Cargo Aircraft Program;
   6. Eliminate EA-18G Growler Program;
   7. Eliminate EP-X Aircraft Program;
   8. Eliminate Far-Term Sea-Based Terminal Defense Program ;
   9. Eliminate Global Hawk Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Program;
   10. Eliminate Joint Strike Fighter Program;
   11. Eliminate JLENS blimp Program;
   12. Eliminate Littoral Combat Ship Program;
   13. Eliminate MEADS Program;
14. Eliminate SM-3 II-B Missile Defense System Program;
   15. Eliminate TALOS Project;
   16. Eliminate Third Generation Infrared Surveillance Program;
   17. Eliminate Trident II Missile Program;
   18. Eliminate V-22 Osprey Program (Continue to use MH-60, H-92, CH-53)
b. The following military weapons shall be retired from service:
   1. HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopter
   2. U-2 Spy Plane
   3. EP-3 Aires Aircraft
   4. Bell TH-67 Jet Ranger Helicopter
   5. Bell OH-58 Kiowa Helicopter
   6. A-10 Thunderbolt Attack Aircraft
   7. B-2 Spirit Bomber
   8. B-52 Stratofortress Bomber
c. A moratorium is hereby imposed on the purchase of the following until 2023:
   1. M-1 Abrams battle tanks
   2. San Antonio Class Amphibious Assault Ships
   3. Air Force Long Range Bomber research
d. Purchases of Operational Support Aircraft shall be reduced by 25%;
e. The naval fleet of small surface combat ships shall be reduced from 42 to 30. The ships to be retired shall be sold to foreign allies.
f. Funding for the Cruiser Modification Program shall be reduced by 30%

SECTION III: OTHER SAVINGS
a. No federal funding allocated for the Department of State shall be expended on counter-narcotics operations.
b. The National Guard shall be prohibited from enforcing drug laws on Atlasian soil.
c. The National Guard Agricultural Development Team program is hereby eliminated.
d. The High Risk Personnel Program for off-base housing is hereby eliminated.
e. Military bands shall be permitted to sell recordings of their music
f. Federal payments to private air carriers for transportation of military personnel shall not exceed those levels guaranteed in the contracted for agreement.

SECTION IV: TIME
a. This act shall take effect beginning in FY 2020.

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I am offering the above amendment because while I am in favor of reducing the number of nuclear weapons on the planet, it is just that, a planet wide concern that requires multi-lateral treaties with follow up and verification to actually achieve the success that we want and need. I worry that unilateral disarmament would undermine such multi-lateral efforts and lead to geopolitical rivals being unwilling to cooperate in said reduction efforts, especially Russia and China.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Also Section II.b Clause 7 was removed via amendment in the House yet it is still present in the text.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would very much like some input on the transport fleet situation as well since absent these programs being eliminated what is left and how does that harm our capacity and capability relative to cost?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I used to be prez of an anti nuclear weapons club so it could be a fun discussion.

That would deprive of Elmo of his day job, mushroom cloud gazing!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Really would like this discrepancy addressed:

Also Section II.b Clause 7 was removed via amendment in the House yet it is still present in the text.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would very much like some input on the transport fleet situation as well since absent these programs being eliminated what is left and how does that harm our capacity and capability relative to cost?

I'll look into this.

As for the nuke stuff, I welcome a future discussion on nukes. My aim here wasn't unilateral disarmament but rather phasing out the triad for a dyad with bombers being the least useful leg of the triad imo. But again, if we want to have a bill just on nuclear weapons policy im down for that too. I used to be prez of an anti nuclear weapons club so it could be a fun discussion.

Also since Lumine brought it up, what is the cost of restarting production of the M1 Abrams later, versus maintaining production say possibly at reduced levels over that same period?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

My questions?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What about hardware though, especially hardware lost and destroyed in the conflict?


And again, I would like to know the cost of stopping and restarting M1 Abrams production later, versus continuous production (perhaps at reduced levels) over the same time frame.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What about hardware though, especially hardware lost and destroyed in the conflict?


And again, I would like to know the cost of stopping and restarting M1 Abrams production later, versus continuous production (perhaps at reduced levels) over the same time frame.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Really would like this discrepancy addressed:

Also Section II.b Clause 7 was removed via amendment in the House yet it is still present in the text.

Could we at least address this ^

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

G.I. JOE ACT

HOUSE BILL

SECTION I: NAME
a. This law shall be known as the G.I. Joe Act

SECTION II: WEAPONS PROGRAMS ELIMINATIONS
a. The following military weapons programs shall be eliminated:
   1. Eliminate C-130 Avionics Modernization Program;
   2. Eliminate C-17 Transport Aircraft Program;
   3. Eliminate C-27 Joint Cargo Aircraft Program;
   4. Eliminate EA-18G Growler Program;
   5. Eliminate EP-X Aircraft Program;
   6. Eliminate Far-Term Sea-Based Terminal Defense Program ;
   7. Eliminate Global Hawk Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Program;
   8. Eliminate Joint Strike Fighter Program;
   9. Eliminate JLENS blimp Program;
   10. Eliminate Littoral Combat Ship Program;
   11. Eliminate MEADS Program;
   12. Eliminate SM-3 II-B Missile Defense System Program;
   13. Eliminate TALOS Project;
   14. Eliminate Third Generation Infrared Surveillance Program;
   15. Eliminate Trident II Missile Program;
   16. Eliminate V-22 Osprey Program (Continue to use MH-60, H-92, CH-53)
b. The following military weapons shall be retired from service:
   1. HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopter
   2. U-2 Spy Plane
   3. EP-3 Aires Aircraft
   4. Bell TH-67 Jet Ranger Helicopter
   5. Bell OH-58 Kiowa Helicopter
   6. A-10 Thunderbolt Attack Aircraft
  7. B-2 Spirit Bomber
   8. B-52 Stratofortress Bomber
c. A moratorium is hereby imposed on the purchase of the following until 2023:
   1. M-1 Abrams battle tanks
   2. San Antonio Class Amphibious Assault Ships
   3. Air Force Long Range Bomber research
d. Purchases of Operational Support Aircraft shall be reduced by 25%;
e. The naval fleet of small surface combat ships shall be reduced from 42 to 30. The ships to be retired shall be sold to foreign allies.
f. Funding for the Cruiser Modification Program shall be reduced by 30%

SECTION III: OTHER SAVINGS
a. No federal funding allocated for the Department of State shall be expended on counter-narcotics operations.
b. The National Guard shall be prohibited from enforcing drug laws on Atlasian soil.
c. The National Guard Agricultural Development Team program is hereby eliminated.
d. The High Risk Personnel Program for off-base housing is hereby eliminated.
e. Military bands shall be permitted to sell recordings of their music
f. Federal payments to private air carriers for transportation of military personnel shall not exceed those levels guaranteed in the contracted for agreement.

SECTION IV: TIME
a. This act shall take effect beginning in FY 2020.

Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has been adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So about the M1 Abrams production question?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Perhaps but if it costs more to restart it when necessary than to keep it going that would be wasteful and counterproductive and so I would like to see the numbers if possible.

Also we are still waiting to here back about the numbers regarding the lost hardware in the Korean war and finally the transport fleet question hat Mr. R said he was looking into.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Lol. Sorry, totally forgot about this. Will try to project some numbers.

Can we get a status update on this?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Lol. Sorry, totally forgot about this. Will try to project some numbers.

Can we get a status update on this?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

On the matter of Tanks, I received this from the GM:

So for the tank thing the main holdup is figuring out how much yall want to buy after the moratorium ends. I found a few studies on punctuated purchases of military equipment like this and they basically agree that stopping production adds around 12% to the future startup costs. So if there is a moratorium until 2022 on m1 abrams purchases, the savings would be those costs expected to be spent on tanks through fy 2022, and the costs would be 12% on top of what would be spent on tanks.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I sent another inquiry about the other topics.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

My last PM generated no response whatsoever.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Motion to table.

Seconded

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye ftr