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« on: November 27, 2011, 01:37:55 AM »

Opponents of partisan restructuring suggest that the goals of the plan can be achieved organically without need of dissolution of existing parties. I don't want to dismiss them out of hand, so I will try to put their suggestions into action.

This is a proposal for a new party of clear democratic socialist orientation, to be provisionally named the Labor Party. Instead of a platform, this party would rely on clearly stated leftist principles. The intent is for the Labor Party to be one of the parties that replaces the existing two-party system.

If anyone has interest, please say so here. If there is enough interest, the party can formally be founded.
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2011, 02:34:01 AM »

I've been wondering about possible alternatives since it's seeming unlikely the RPP will dissolve.

One idea I had was to embrace the caucus idea, and make it so the JCP kind of resembled the old Progressive Caucus* (*different kind of caucus). Aside from Presidential elections, each caucus would function almost as its own party, running their own candidates for Senate, Governor and so on. And then for Presidential elections the caucuses would come together, and have a big primary. Or something. The caucus bill in the Senate is still open so we could make it so each caucus shows up on the ballot and so on. Or we could just scratch that bill and start from scratch later, since I'd personally prefer to wait and see what the RPP will do.

I don't know if anybody else would be interested, though. It's not really what I initially envisioned and feels like such a moderate hero compromise. But, if the RPP ever did dissolve or collapse, it would be easy to turn each caucus into its own full-fledged party. It could be kind of a temporary thing, maybe.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 02:38:25 AM »

That's not far from how I hoped caucuses would develop on their own. If you're into that idea, (and will get you to vote for the bill in the end.. Tongue) then let's try it out. The thing is I don't really understand why you see the two things (caucuses vs. party dissolution) as mutually exclusive things. Caucuses as I wrote them may resemble parties, but they're still different and separate institutions.

(Also, sorry to Xahar for crowding the thread here with something off topic.)
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 02:41:02 AM »

That's not far from how I hoped caucuses would develop on their own. If you're into that idea, (and will get you to vote for the bill in the end.. Tongue) then let's try it out. The thing is I don't really understand why you see the two things (caucuses vs. party dissolution) as mutually exclusive things. Caucuses as I wrote them may resemble parties, but they're still different and separate institutions.

(Also, sorry to Xahar for crowding the thread here with something off topic.)

For one, I kind of doubt certain people will want to join the JCP in any form... Tongue

I think having some sort of united left primary could be fun, but it would require people like, well you and Xahar, to have multiple factions, division, and intra-party competition.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 07:38:24 AM »

Well, obviously your efforts are greatly appreciated.  Unfortunately, I don't quite fit into this parties platform.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 08:57:17 AM »

Socialism? Count me in!!
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2011, 09:40:13 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2011, 12:10:20 PM »

No u, no support.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2011, 01:04:54 PM »

I'm not a socialist, but I can see this taking off if you involve the right people.  maybe start by PMing Antonio?
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