Ryan AGAIN wants to force Raped Women to give birth, outlaw abortion/IVF/planB

[Blue3]

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They can't even win in states like Oklahoma and Mississippi, the personhood movement is dead. There are no trends to suggest this will change. Republicans were absolutely hammered by this in the 2012 elections.

Yet here is Paul Ryan, again, one of the Republicans who should have been the most likely to learn this lesson. Ryan flip-flops away from Romney and back to the absolute extreme of this issue, siding with Broun, Akin, Mourdock, and the rest again...

I'm not sure how he'll be able to survive the 2014 midterms at this point, being from a moderate swing-district that has gone for Obama in two presidential elections now. Yet his eye is clearly on the White House, becoming the keynote speaker for the Susan B Anthony list, saying the other day that he was thinking about but undecided when it comes to 2016, etc.

Does anyone really think Paul Ryan can still become President?

[BluegrassBlueVote]

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

[bballrox4717]

I really wish the pro-life movement wasn't associated with women's rights. Ryan and the Republican party are getting eviscerated over this. It's time to change strategy.

I don't know what to make of Ryan's past votes. He should go for House leadership, since he stands a very small chance of winning on a national stage right now.

[Blue3]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

It is painfully obvious that the "personhood at conception" movement will never succeed. Eventually, scientists and either Congress or the Supreme Court will need to determine exactly when personhood begins, when abortion should become illegal. But it won't be at conception. The more conservatives like Ryan turn the pro-life movement into a "personhood at conception" movement, the bigger they will lose, again and again. You do remember the problem that Mourdock, Akin, and others had in 2012, right?

[useful idiot]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

Pro-life candidates are apparently unelectable on the national stage, you know like the three Republican presidents we've had in the last 30 years (two of them during a time when the country was definitely more pro-choice than it is now). The fact that as many people call themselves pro-life as pro-choice now is of no consequence.

[BluegrassBlueVote]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

Pro-life candidates are apparently unelectable on the national stage, you know like the three Republican presidents we've had in the last 30 years (two of them during a time when the country was definitely more pro-choice than it is now). The fact that as many people call themselves pro-life as pro-choice now is of no consequence.

You really think this trend favors Republicans? Have fun with this younger generation.

[Blue3]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

Pro-life candidates are apparently unelectable on the national stage, you know like the three Republican presidents we've had in the last 30 years (two of them during a time when the country was definitely more pro-choice than it is now). The fact that as many people call themselves pro-life as pro-choice now is of no consequence.

Read what I just posted.

In addition to that, as well as demographic trends... did Reagan and the Bush's want to ban abortion even in cases of rape, incest, and when the life of the mother is threatened?

You see, for the current Republican Party, only the most extreme pro-lifers are actually pro-life. And it does somewhat makes sense, because if you really believe a zygote is a person then you wouldn't want it killed even if it was the product of rape/incest and perhaps even threatened the mother's life.

Either the pro-life movement chooses another time for personhood to begins, or they kill off the entire pro-life movement by turning it into the "personhood at conception" movement which even Mississippi rejected by referendum recently and by a very large margin.

Nevermind it killing your electability in a general election for President.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

It is painfully obvious that the "personhood at conception" movement will never succeed. Eventually, scientists and either Congress or the Supreme Court will need to determine exactly when personhood begins, when abortion should become illegal. But it won't be at conception. The more conservatives like Ryan turn the pro-life movement into a "personhood at conception" movement, the bigger they will lose, again and again. You do remember the problem that Mourdock, Akin, and others had in 2012, right?

I don't oppose having to trick people. Do what you have to get elected. These people are just awful politicians. As well, the publicity given to their statements was just as related to their awful way of being stated as the belief itself, if not more.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

There's a distinction between being "pro-life" and advocating a no-exceptions ban on not just abortion, but on birth control and in vitro fertilization. Mr. Ryan falls under the latter category.

[Smash255]

How long before some nut bag suggests that anyone who performs an abortion or has an abortion should be charged with murder including victims of rape??

[useful idiot]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

Pro-life candidates are apparently unelectable on the national stage, you know like the three Republican presidents we've had in the last 30 years (two of them during a time when the country was definitely more pro-choice than it is now). The fact that as many people call themselves pro-life as pro-choice now is of no consequence.

You really think this trend favors Republicans? Have fun with this younger generation.

LOL, have you ever looked at an opinion poll on abortion with an age breakdown? Almost without exception people in the 18-29 demo are more pro-life than those in the 30-64 demo's. When there is an exception the difference is negligible. It's the one issue where younger people are consistently more conservative than those of the previous generation...

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

Pro-life candidates are apparently unelectable on the national stage, you know like the three Republican presidents we've had in the last 30 years (two of them during a time when the country was definitely more pro-choice than it is now). The fact that as many people call themselves pro-life as pro-choice now is of no consequence.

Read what I just posted.

In addition to that, as well as demographic trends... did Reagan and the Bush's want to ban abortion even in cases of rape, incest, and when the life of the mother is threatened?

You see, for the current Republican Party, only the most extreme pro-lifers are actually pro-life. And it does somewhat makes sense, because if you really believe a zygote is a person then you wouldn't want it killed even if it was the product of rape/incest and perhaps even threatened the mother's life.

Either the pro-life movement chooses another time for personhood to begins, or they kill off the entire pro-life movement by turning it into the "personhood at conception" movement which even Mississippi rejected by referendum recently and by a very large margin.

Nevermind it killing your electability in a general election for President.

And in the Democratic Party only the most extreme pro-choicers are really pro-choice. Hate to break it to ya, but a significantly larger percentage of the population believes life begins at conception than believes you should be able to kill your child in the third trimester, yet we've elected two guys that believe just that.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

If you believe that life begins at conception, such a stance is the only logical conclusion of that belief.

[Frodo]

Republicans -please nominate this man.  I beg of you.   

[BluegrassBlueVote]

LOL, have you ever looked at an opinion poll on abortion with an age breakdown? Almost without exception people in the 18-29 demo are more pro-life than those in the 30-64 demo's. When there is an exception the difference is negligible. It's the one issue where younger people are consistently more conservative than those of the previous generation...

They poll roughly the same. I was wrong for thinking that the younger generation is more liberal on this like they are on generally everything else, but there doesn't look to be a consistent trend towards a pro-life stance simply based on the 18-29 age demographic.

The difference is that the clowns who espouse this radical belief seem to love destroying their own campaigns with their idiocy. I really, REALLY hope the Republican Party keeps nominating the Murdoch and Akins of the world, although my heart goes out to poor Dick Lugar. Good luck with the female vote!

[Blue3]

How long before some nut bag suggests that anyone who performs an abortion or has an abortion should be charged with murder including victims of rape??

That IS what this basically does, as do other personhood amendments/laws proposed around the country. They really mean it when they say abortion is murder in their point of view.

[badgate]

My generation hasn't seen what a Pro-"Life" America does to its women.

[H. Ross Peron]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

Pro-life candidates are apparently unelectable on the national stage, you know like the three Republican presidents we've had in the last 30 years (two of them during a time when the country was definitely more pro-choice than it is now). The fact that as many people call themselves pro-life as pro-choice now is of no consequence.

Read what I just posted.

In addition to that, as well as demographic trends... did Reagan and the Bush's want to ban abortion even in cases of rape, incest, and when the life of the mother is threatened?

Neither did Romney. And at least when Bush the Lesser ran in 2000 and 2004 the party platform officially opposed abortion in cases of rape although President Bush did not think so.

[Franzl]

Paul Ryan is objectively a horrible person

[Antonio the Sixth]

Is this surprising anyone? You do know there are a number of politicians in this country that take the pro-life stance on abortion, right? Is this some big shock to you?

Yes.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Paul Ryan is objectively a horrible person

How does this make him an objectively horrible person, if, as he believes, life in fact does begin at conception?  I disagree with the IVF ban, but I wouldn't call him a horrible person over that.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Ah, the endless tale of Republicans and rape.

[Niemeyerite]

Not even Ahmadinejad is that misogynist.

[Franzl]

Just look at Ireland

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/14/ireland-woman-dies-after-abortion-refusal

[memphis]

How long before some nut bag suggests that anyone who performs an abortion or has an abortion should be charged with murder including victims of rape??

The woman doesn't get charged with muder, as she's not the one who pulls the trigger. She gets charged with hiring a hit man