Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Yank2133]

gop should really expel mccain. anyway after next year senate elections republicans will have at least 57 seats, so trumpcare will easily pass.

They won't have the house.

[Dr. Arch]

gop should really expel mccain. anyway after next year senate elections republicans will have at least 57 seats, so trumpcare will easily pass.

Cool story, bro.

[KingSweden]

gop should really expel mccain. anyway after next year senate elections republicans will have at least 57 seats, so trumpcare will easily pass.

I bet you're delightful at parties

So anyways sounds like something interesting happened while ol' KS was asleep huh?

[Koharu]

So what does this mean for McConnellcare now? Will they keep trying or was this the last shot?

[SteveRogers]

My source on the Hill tells me that word around the House was that Ryan was full of s@$& about working it out in conference committee, so good on McCain for seeing through Ryan's BS.

[Mr. Morden]

My source on the Hill tells me that word around the House was that Ryan was full of s@$& about working it out in conference committee, so good on McCain for seeing through Ryan's BS.

My impression from Ryan's statement was that there would indeed be a conference committee, but the question is what happens if the conference committee fails to come up with something?  Ryan didn't seem to address that part of the question.  Nothing in his public statement ruled out the possibility that if the conference committee failed, the House wouldn't just put the Senate's "skinny repeal" bill up for a vote.

[emailking]

Even if the committee came up with something, if Republicans lose a senate seat they might not be able to pass anything and the House would be forced to pass the skinny bill or nothing. That's what happened with ACA. That might have been on his mind as well.

[Badger]

Politically, is it better for the GOP that this bill didn't pass and they don't have to deal with the massive downsides of Skinny Repeal?

It is better that they didn't pass this bill.

Granted, house R's still have the AHCA vote around their necks.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Correct answer!

[Badger]

Krazen apparently was the one who got cucked.

I think I predicted this. Once more - I will take a victory lap, assuming nothing further happens.

Trumpists - you voted for this man. You voted for this brand of leadership. Don't look shocked now that you've witnessed the raging dumpster fire of the last six months. But you aren't men and you aren't people worth a dime of courage to admit you were wrong.

You can't look at me in the eye and say this President is successful, remotely. You swore up and down he would be. You can't say that.

In any case: winter is coming. Enjoy.  

This x 10

[Badger]

TD, honest question, you do realize the fundamental problems of healthcare would have been the same no matter which republican got into office, don't you?

Are you under the impression that if another GOP president was in office, ryan and McConnell would have crafted different legislation?

Instead of blaming trump for every problem under the sun, maybe some of your vitriol can be cast towards the actual people in the legislature who crafted the legislation.

How would healthcare reform have been different if rubio were president? Would CBO scores of repealing the mandate be different? Would the fundamental problems be different? Would the laws congress have inherited be different?

To start with - the President's election started the death knell of this issue. Remember, he ran behind every GOP Senator. If he had won 51-46% instead of losing 48-46%, he could have credibly told the GOP Congress, "I carried you." Instead they carried him and we know that they have the leverage, not him.

Second, there was a better way. The President could have acted with leadership and crafted a better bill and pushed it. You know that as well as I do that the Congress was looking to the White House for leadership and we have floundered because they didn't provide it. Ryan and McConnell would have worked with the White House, and passed something.

We could have spent the last six months crafting an alternative to ObamaCare and owned the issue of healthcare. We could have put through the committee process. We could have improved the law and done tax reform first. Who knows?

To say nothing of the way two of the three no votes were treated - McCain, insulted, Murkowski's state threatened when she had clear leverage as a 2010 write in? 

Answer me this -- does not the President bear responsibility for his abdication of leadership and inability to lead Congress and the country on this issue? If you can't believe Trump is not responsible for the debacle of the last six months, if you're going to pretend Presidential leadership doesn't matter, then you don't really understand why the last six months went the way it did.

The fact the 2008 Republican Presidential nominee was the deciding vote against this speaks volumes.

Marty, you and TD both make really good points here. I have to agree with TD's assessment, but let me pose a question in response to one of your questions. Do you think that Health Care fundamentals would have been any different today without Obamacare passing?

[Hindsight was 2020]

Welp we knew Trump would get lash out at something so he is now ranting on Twitter on getting rid of 60 votes and just going to 51

[Badger]

gop should really expel mccain. anyway after next year senate elections republicans will have at least 57 seats, so trumpcare will easily pass.

Cool story, bro.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Welp we knew Trump would get lash out at something so he is now ranting on Twitter on getting rid of 60 votes and just going to 51

As if this would have made any difference yesterday...

[Beet]

Welp we knew Trump would get lash out at something so he is now ranting on Twitter on getting rid of 60 votes and just going to 51

Has the man who got about the same vote share as John McCain ever considered the possibility of bipartisanship?

[Ichabod]

gop should really expel mccain. anyway after next year senate elections republicans will have at least 57 seats, so trumpcare will easily pass.

In the same way that Democrats got 65 seats in 2010, right?

[Shadows]

Democrats on Thursday afternoon sat out a vote on a proposal for a completely government-run health care system, denouncing it as a ploy designed to score political points against vulnerable red-state Democrats and drive a wedge between the party to distract from the GOP’s health care struggles.  Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) derided his own amendment as “socialized medicine” that makes up the “heart and soul” of the Democratic vision for health care.

Four Democrats and one independent — Joe Manchin, Heidi Heitkamp, Jon Tester, Joe Donnelly and Angus King — voted with all of the chamber's Republicans against the amendment, which failed 0-57.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/single-payer-health-care-republicans-241035

[Badger]

Democrats on Thursday afternoon sat out a vote on a proposal for a completely government-run health care system, denouncing it as a ploy designed to score political points against vulnerable red-state Democrats and drive a wedge between the party to distract from the GOP’s health care struggles.  Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) derided his own amendment as “socialized medicine” that makes up the “heart and soul” of the Democratic vision for health care.

Four Democrats and one independent — Joe Manchin, Heidi Heitkamp, Jon Tester, Joe Donnelly and Angus King — voted with all of the chamber's Republicans against the amendment, which failed 0-57.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/single-payer-health-care-republicans-241035

What a dumbass backfire. What was supposed to catch all these Democrats in a split between alienating the base for opposing single payer vs offending swing voters with reservations about such a costly scheme, instead turned into a golden opportunity to allow swing state moderates up for reelection to go on record opposing single-payer and doing absolutely zilch to offend 99 + percent of the base by allowing the rest of the Democrats to vote present. This is f****** Keystone Cops level legislative strategy

[KingSweden]

Blaming Congress, GOPers? Blame Trump. Presidents take point on important agenda items, and he was tweeting about his AG.

[Tintrlvr]

Democrats on Thursday afternoon sat out a vote on a proposal for a completely government-run health care system, denouncing it as a ploy designed to score political points against vulnerable red-state Democrats and drive a wedge between the party to distract from the GOP’s health care struggles.  Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) derided his own amendment as “socialized medicine” that makes up the “heart and soul” of the Democratic vision for health care.

Four Democrats and one independent — Joe Manchin, Heidi Heitkamp, Jon Tester, Joe Donnelly and Angus King — voted with all of the chamber's Republicans against the amendment, which failed 0-57.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/single-payer-health-care-republicans-241035

What a dumbass backfire. What was supposed to catch all these Democrats in a split between alienating the base for opposing single payer vs offending swing voters with reservations about such a costly scheme, instead turned into a golden opportunity to allow swing state moderates up for reelection to go on record opposing single-payer and doing absolutely zilch to offend 99 + percent of the base by allowing the rest of the Democrats to vote present. This is f****** Keystone Cops level legislative strategy

It does show that single-payer is probably a non-starter even if the Democrats control Congress and the Presidency in 2020. The Democrats (and Angus King) who voted against didn't have to do so.

[Rookie Yinzer]

When you guys don't want to blame Trump or want to wave away his mistakes, it's all "he's a reality TV Star!" but when he does something, "OMG he's the President!"

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Blaming Congress, GOPers? Blame Trump. Presidents take point on important agenda items, and he was tweeting about his AG.

While I blaming Trump for the failure of this healthcare push is completely appropriate, don't forget the chief reason why we have Trump in the first place: Republicans.

[ProudModerate2]

When you guys don't want to blame Trump or want to wave away his mistakes, it's all "he's a reality TV Star!" but when he does something, "OMG he's the President!"

[Badger]

Democrats on Thursday afternoon sat out a vote on a proposal for a completely government-run health care system, denouncing it as a ploy designed to score political points against vulnerable red-state Democrats and drive a wedge between the party to distract from the GOP’s health care struggles.  Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) derided his own amendment as “socialized medicine” that makes up the “heart and soul” of the Democratic vision for health care.

Four Democrats and one independent — Joe Manchin, Heidi Heitkamp, Jon Tester, Joe Donnelly and Angus King — voted with all of the chamber's Republicans against the amendment, which failed 0-57.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/single-payer-health-care-republicans-241035

What a dumbass backfire. What was supposed to catch all these Democrats in a split between alienating the base for opposing single payer vs offending swing voters with reservations about such a costly scheme, instead turned into a golden opportunity to allow swing state moderates up for reelection to go on record opposing single-payer and doing absolutely zilch to offend 99 + percent of the base by allowing the rest of the Democrats to vote present. This is f****** Keystone Cops level legislative strategy

It does show that single-payer is probably a non-starter even if the Democrats control Congress and the Presidency in 2020. The Democrats (and Angus King) who voted against didn't have to do so.

What? Every Democrat you mentioned is facing a tough reelection in a solid Trump state. King is the only one who arguably didn't need to do so.

 When single-payer actually may have a chance of passing, every one of those votes are still up for grabs.

[Badger]

When you guys don't want to blame Trump or want to wave away his mistakes, it's all "he's a reality TV Star!" but when he does something, "OMG he's the President!"

[ProudModerate2]

As Stephen Colbert said on The Late Show :

“I have some sad news to tell you ….the GOP HealtCare bill was pernounced dead of terminal sucking.”