October 2017 Federalist Party Convention - Partial Results

[Leinad]

X Leinad, former and current holder of several offices near and far, doer of things big and small, grand ruler of the most lovely Southern Region, current Chair of Vices of the most noble Federalist Party, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Alright, Jacksonville, let's convene the ever-living crap out of this!!!!!! *enthusiastically jumps into the crowd trying to crowdsurf, falls on the ground due to the fact only 6 people were present at the time of the jump and they all cleared out of the way*

[Leinad]

Excellent speech, PiT!

[Leinad]

OFFICIAL BALLOT
[X] President Fhtagn (F-ME)/Vice President PiT (The Physicist) (F-LA)
[  ] Fmr. Justice Oakvale (F-NY)/Fmr. Representative Potus2036 (F-WV)

[Leinad]

Declaring for Vice Chair

This is okay--desirable, actually, and I endorse her run--because (as fhtagn already knows) I am not.

RIP Chair of Vices Leinad, April 2016-October 2017. A nice year and a half, where I oversaw (er, vice-oversaw ) 4 Federalist Presidents--not bad!

[Leinad]

Declaring for Vice Chair

This is okay--desirable, actually, and I endorse her run--because (as fhtagn already knows) I am not.

RIP Chair of Vices Leinad, April 2016-October 2017. A nice year and a half, where I oversaw (er, vice-oversaw ) 4 Federalist Presidents--not bad!

#IC5!

lol I can't count--this is why it's clear fhtagn should get the job now!

I'll nominate:

-Reading, Pennsylvania
-Jacksonville, Illinois
-Holland, Michigan

[Leinad]

I really like the idea of rotating regions--can we try to have it in Lincoln this time, please?

[Leinad]

OFFICIAL BALLOT
Chairman:
[X] NC Yankee

Vice Chairman:
[X] Fhtagn

Platform:
Should the Platform be amended to the following text

[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

Bylaws:
Amendment 1
Should the following bylaw amendment restricting voting within the Federalist Party primaries to those who registered within the first 72 hours of the convention comencing.

[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

February Convention City:
Please preference the following cities in numerical order -

[1] Holland, Michigan
[2] Jacksonville, Illinois
[3] Reading, Pennsylvania
[4] London, England
[5] Portland, Maine
[6] Cardiff, Wales
[7] Edinburgh, Scotland
[8] Providence, Rhode Island
[9] Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
[10] Atlantic City, New Jersey
[11] Louisville, Kentucky

[Leinad]

I hereby motion to expel Oakvale, on the grounds that he has never done anything other than try to screw people over and screw Atlasia over. He has never shown any support for a "more welcoming Atlasia" or anything "responsible" or "Federalist." The fact that he's been endorsed by prominent Federalists is still shocking to me, and I can't support a party that supports people so hostile to the game, so hostile to members of the party (such as Yankee who he has basically ran a propaganda campaign against for multiple years now), and so hostile to the values this party should be centered around.

Him or me. Your call, guys.

[Leinad]

This naive trust you have in him is ridiculous. He hates Atlasia, we all know it, he hates Yankee, we all know it, he's frankly an asshole, and we all know it.

[Leinad]

We cannot expel people because we don't like them. That is not how it works, nor should it be. I cannot support the expulsion on these grounds, and I truly hope you change your mind because we value you as much as we do everyone else in the party.

You know good and well that is not my reasoning, and please don't try to act like it is.

And I really really hope you guys change your mind, because I value being in the Federalist Party (this is why I didn't simply leave, and why I discussed this at length with all of you privately to try to find another solution). But the Federalist Party I know not in a party that just supports any anti-Atlasian asshole who happens to be "anti-socialist" or whatever, even though the only times he has cared about Atlasia has been to screw someone over--and he's not our ally because sometimes he happens to try to screw over Truman, too.

[Leinad]

OK so as I understand it, the person Oakvale has spent years attacking and the person he tried to primary challenge in the Presidential campaign are fine with him staying.....but you aren't?

You'll have to ask them why they've decided to put trust in someone who has never shown any reason to deserve it.

[Leinad]

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This doesn't mean, "all players that aren't jerks". This means all players. That includes me. That includes you. That includes Oakvale. I truly do not feel the argument given is enough to warrant expulsion from the party. I feel it is unfair that you are delivering an ultimatum, because we obviously don't want to lose you, but it is not right to expel him.

Oakvale has never given a damn about welcoming players to the game, and his only "contributions" for the last couple years have been obsessive hatred for people like Yankee. My ultimatum about leaving isn't a threat to put anyone in any "unfair" positions, and I'm sad that you see it that way, I genuinely cannot support a party that supports someone like Oakvale.

[Leinad]

I'll ignore the rest of the phony bullsh!t, but I need to respond to this, because it kind of makes my point:

In his vicious tirades, Leinad accuses me of "not sharing the values" of this Party. No one would ever accuse me of being the most orthodox Federalist around. But - as Yankee, among many others, can readily attest, I've long been one of the most vocal opponents of the Communist Party in this game. The Federalists are the conservative opposition to Communism. I am, thus, a Federalist, and proud to be so.

If you think this party is just here to be "not Labor" you clearly have no idea what we're doing. We need to stand for something, we can't just be "not Labor" and act like that's enough.

I still say Oakvale has done nothing but go on obsessive quests to screw people over in this game, until he gets bored and goes back to making fun of us on #atlasforum and AAD--imo it's very naive to say he will change, just because he's making speeches (remember, anyone can make a speech that says what you want to hear lol--I'll give Oakvale some credit, he's good at pandering ). But it all adds up to this: I see no reason for us to support someone like that to office. And there's nothing narcissistic about it--if the party is that shallow and only cares about "not Labor," I really have no business being here. Hopefully enough people agree with me.

[Leinad]

If anyone actually believes this bullsh!t act, my lack of faith in humanity will reach a new low.

[Leinad]

There is no timeline for when the vote should take place per the party's bylaws. That being said, I am waiting on the opportunity to discuss the situation further with Yankee before we make a decision on when the vote takes place. In the meantime, I would urge Leinad to provide evidence that Oakvale's recent behavior has been a detriment to this party, and really think about the damage this motion causes the party this close to an election. It does not revoke Oakvale's endorsement from the Federalist party, and it causes a further divide than our party needs at this time.

First of all, delaying a vote will do nothing but hurt the party. I'm not sure how you can say the party is hurt by an expulsion vote this close to an election, and then turn around and make the expulsion vote more damaging by dragging it out, and making it even closer to the election. It is best for all of us to wrap this up ASAP.

Second of all, even though I have proof, it is not a requirement for an expulsion vote. I have heard the (imo wrong and dangerous) argument that party leadership is bound to endorse any party candidate no matter how vile--what is actually true, however, is that party leadership is bound to hold an expulsion vote if it's seconded. This does not require proof or any judgement calls from party leadership. I know the bylaws don't set a timeline, but unless you want to suppress the will of the voters (which I know you obviously don't, because you're still an excellent Vice-Chair despite your view on this) this is happening, and again, it is best for all involved for it to happen sooner rather than later.

Now, you want proof? As I said, I have some! Unfortunately it isn't really "recent," which is mostly because Oakvale has barely done anything in Atlasia "recently" (which should be a concern about having him be one of our candidates to begin with, but whatever).

Oakvale's thoughts on Bore, a Laborite whose far-left cabinet members tried to destroy Atlasia (which should prove his conservative pandering is false):

RIP to one of the best Presidents in all my time here.

Supporting Pacific secessionism:

I of course fully and enthusiastically support this bill. As a long-time advocate of human rights, I of course back the freedom of the Pacific people, as should any democrat. And as a former Supreme Court Justice and an expert on our poor, battered old Constitution, I do not see anything that prohibits self-determination for the regions.

It's typical of the low energy Atlasian nationalists that they cling to legalism as they sweat and shake at the prospect of the people of their country determining their own destiny.

Oakvale's opposition to the office of GM (abolishing the office of GM is a view most Feds have been strongly against--Congress depends on the office's work for various functions and voting to leave it vacant indefinitely is irresponsible):

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So I hear some of you dislike expulsion? How about trying to expel a large chunk of the Senate because they rejected the Supreme Court nominee you supported?:

I motion for the expulsion of Senators NC Yankee, Lumine, Cris, Truman and PiT for making a mockery of the Senate's confirmation process.

I urge all right-thinking Senators to sign the motion.

And here was his official statement on the matter.

And last but not least, feast your eyes on these chat logs

[Leinad]

I think we have both stated our points clearly and now it is best to leave it to the members of the party to decide. I will even ignore most of the repeated reliance on lazy ad hominem attacks against me--but I can't let this slide:

Leinad is blackmailing you.

this is a blatant lie in at attempt to mischaracterize this as something it is not. I have already stated that I am leaving the party should this vote fail because I don't agree that we should actively try to elect a known Atlasia-hating fraud who has shown no indication of ever changing simply because he has registered with the party and pandered to our bullet-points. Part of me still stands by that decision, part of me regrets it. But I already said it and I don't think I can turn back now--I try not to say things I don't intend to do, and always feel terrible when I stray from my word. Trust is a very important thing--in fact the core of this issue is that you, Oakvale, have repeatedly proven that you cannot be trusted.

That is all.

[Leinad]

I have had a discussion with the others and decided it was rash of me to want to leave the party--I no longer intend to do that regardless of what happens here, and I am very sorry to people who this caused stress to--I would never intentionally do something to harm said people.

That being said, I am not withdrawing the motion to expel. I am still convinced, for reasons I have discussed all throughout this thread, that it is for the good of the party and the game to not support Oakvale, and to expel him from the Federalist Party, as he has been proven to have a continued pattern of lying and attempts to ruin the game, which he has never reversed on. It is up to the members of the party whether they agree with me or not, now, let's start the vote!

[Leinad]

Aye

[Leinad]

we need to remain a big tent party, considering my opinion as opposed to more conservative opinions.

Huh? This isn't because Oakvale failed on a conservative ideological purity test. Hopefully anyone who is paying attention would be well aware most people in the party including myself would fail on that.

Also FFS I'm not going on a witch hunt. "Where does it end" you ask? Like, right now. I have nothing against BK at all, in fact I like him and from what I can tell we get along well, but comparing me to Robespierre is comically ridiculous.

And Yankee, I am not going to "become the next Oakvale," so can you please stop bringing that up as a reason to give Oakvale a pass?

[Leinad]

How nice, campaigning.

>elections game
>outrage over "campaigning"

...

[Leinad]

Regardless, I think it's clear what the party's view on Oakvale is--especially because most of the people who voted against expulsion did so because they oppose all expulsion votes, didn't understand the reasoning behind the expulsion, or simply didn't want to anger Oakvale and his supposedly powerful faction of "supporters." (Not that I hold anything against people who voted against expulsion.) I think it's clear a super-majority of the party is opposed to Oakvale and opposed to the idea we should support him, direct votes for him, or that party leadership is obligated to vote for him because "he's a Federalist candidate." Hopefully I proved that point. If not, well, I tried.

[Leinad]

If it's necessary (I was of the under the impression it was still done by chair appointment) I nominate myself for Lincoln Party Chair. A job I basically already have been doing, and Yankee and fhtagn are fine with me doing--in fact Yankee would've already appointed me to the role formally if not for RL keeping him less active as of late.

[Leinad]

Thank you everyone! I look forward to a successful February election!

[Leinad]

Friends,

I wish to apply for readmission to the Federalist Party as a full member in good standing.

I have been elected to Congress as a Federalist by the people of Atlasia and sit in that chamber as a member of the party. I will, God willing, soon be serving in the Cabinet of a Federalist president, whom I campaigned for and voted for in the last election.

In addition to these imperatives, I furthermore believe that there is reason to believe that the expulsion of political party members may, under current statute, be unconstitutional.

Let us turn the page on an unfortunate chapter in our history.

     It came to my attention at too late a stage that there is no law providing for political parties to be able to expel their members. For my part as someone who supported the expulsion effort, I view it as null and void in light of this fact. That is, you should still legally count as a full member in good standing.

Yeah I agree with PiT on this.

Especially since the expulsion is due to me forgetting (and no one reminding me) that unendorsing is an option

[Leinad]

Will the Federalist Party be nominating a new Presidential candidate now that fhtagn has left the party?

Nice instigating.

Hopefully most Federalists will use their brains and realize this is still the same fhtagn and if they supported her simply due to party affiliation they're probably too stupid to deserve the right to make decisions on who to support anyway.

That being said I have learned that kids these days use loyalty about as much as they use original jokes, and wannabe Machiavellian masterminds might use this as an opening (obviously if YT was still in the game he'd have already launched his campaign by now lol), so I don't really know what'll happen.

If every instance of reality doesn't serve as a reminder, I can only control myself.