UK General Discussion: 2019 and onwards, The End of May

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Old thread is at capacity.

So, we’re now headed for a third vote on the same deal that failed by overwhelming margins the first two times. After that, who the f[inks] knows? No deal? Second referendum? General Election? Seems to be complete chaos.

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They should demand either a general or second referendum.

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Well, then that’s it. No deal, unless maybe if May offers a referendum/general.

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2 week extension. L f[inks]ing mao

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On paper, even if the entire May cabinet (minus may herself of course) resigned, May could stay as PM right?

Just name new cabinet ministers, I guess there will be at least a dozen tories willing to go down with her. If necessary, she could even appoint them from the House of Lords? (where they wouldn't even need to worry for reelection)

Now, I would absolutely love to see that happen. May's Cabinet resigns and she still stays on and then selects a new cabinet entirely from the unelected House of Lords. Imagine the blowback.

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I admit I'm not fully engaged with the ins and outs of Brexit and British politics, but at this point it seems that anyone who was truly capable of replacing May would have to be utterly daft to do so.  It's like being asked to hold a bag with TNT while they drop a piano on you.

Yeah pretty much. Having the inevitable blame magnetism of leadership at this point in time is more of a curse than anything.

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Hang on, what are actually the repercussions of this vote?

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Apparently Rees-Mogg is now supporting May's deal.

Waits, so is passage now actually on the table?

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May Said to Say She Will Step Down Once Brexit Delivered

This was likely to happen anyway - the rest of the power-hungry Tories were going to pounce on her as soon as she'd finished soaking up all the blame for the Brexit aftermath.

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Customs union got within 8 votes?!?!?!

If they want a path forward, they know where to look now, I guess.

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Wait if Lib Dems had voted for customs union instead of abstaining it would have passed lol

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Wait if Lib Dems had voted for customs union instead of abstaining it would have passed lol

They want to Remain and facilitating any Brexit would finish the party off.

The EU isn't just the customs union.

Even with the risk of No Deal, though?

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Did anyone else notice the person who shouted "Yes!" after Bercow announced the confirmatory vote amendment had 268 aye votes (but before he said the noes were 295). Did that person think the amendment had passed or what? Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxv6X3NeBQg

At 2:03

Considering 268 was more votes than any other motion got, including the customs union (and was actually equal to half the number of total votes on the customs union), quite possibly.

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WA fails again, this time 286-344.

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Glad I ditched my C-UK avatar in that case. And I was trying to make a “liberal cuck” joke with it, so...LOL.

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Curious what everyone thinks what’s going to come of Brexit mess in coming weeks... May’s Deal Passes, NO Deal, General election or Second Referendum?

Always assume the worst, so no deal.

It seems to me, despite it being a horrific deal, that MP’s are giving in to May and laying down. They all said she would box them into a my deal or the highway situation and now here they are letting her do just that!

Errrrrr... what precisely leads you to this conclusion?

It went from a majority of 200+, to 140, to 58.. and now slowly more names are trickling in

Yeah, so maybe in another three weeks it can pass...oh wait.

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Four votes today:

C (common market 2.0) is the same proposal that came close to passing last time.

D (customs union + single market) is supported by both Labour and SNP at the moment (SNP does not back  C)

E (confirmatory public vote) is the same force-referendum proposal as last time.

G (parliamentary supremacy) as an SNP proposal, which, if enacted, would force Parliament to choose directly between revoking Article 50 and No Deal if no agreement is reached by the 12th. This is the only one Labour is not supporting.

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I thought for sure Customs Union and Common Market 2.0 would pass ... what happened  ?

Lots of Remainers didn't support them.  Both would have passed, for example, if the 11 TIGgers and four or five Lib Dems who voted against it had abstained.

I fear this was a mistake.

Basically remainders are trying to get rid of all options other than No Deal and Remain and then force a choice between them.

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VIENNA (Reuters) - There is currently “absolutely no reason” for another extension to Brexit because the situation in Britain’s parliament has not fundamentally changed, Austria’s Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said on Wednesday.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-austria-extension/austria-sees-absolutely-no-reason-for-brexit-extension-idUKKCN1RF10Q

Under Article 50 rules, one member state opposing would be enough to deny the UK an extension. In practice, I doubt that such a big decision would be made in that way in the European Council.

Both Macron and Kurz are hardline. Just shows that this fantasy second extension that May wants it’s happening under these circumstances.

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The question that Leavers are cherry-picking is "And if Britain has not agreed a deal by April 12th
and the European Union refused to grant a further extension, what do you think should happen?" to which the answer was No Deal 44%, Remain 42%, Don't Know 13%.  Note that this is in the context of the EU refusing to grant an extension.

Replying with "don't know" is the equivalent of not voting; i.e. those people don't count.

Except it’s reasonable to say they *will* vote. And, in the other side of things, dishonest to claim there’s an absolute majority of the electorate in favor of No Deal.

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Welp, we’re four days away from Brexit Day as of right now.

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This is still not going to change anything.

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Well no s**t, one of them has their position in their name...

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Labour and the Tories should negotiate a softer Brexit than the one May was trying to ram through, one that still respects the will of the voters in 2016 while taking into account the wishes they have expressed in 2019. Which seems to be exactly what Corbyn and May are trying to do. I hope to God that the Remoaners and Brexit fanatics don't sabotage this genuinely commendable effort.

You hope in vain, my friend.

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Lmao Tories.