S.19.3-6: Economic Freedom Zones Act of 2019 (Debating)

[Saint Milei]

I'm not sold on eliminating all federal regulations. Does this include all health safety regulations, environmental regulations? Red tape may not be conducive to job creation, however not all regulations are necessarily bad. The key is about balance.

No, it does not include health and safety regulations


Mr. R put it in better words

Probably not here. IIRC this was an old Rand Paul bill idea which means it would have been federal originally, thus explaining the CG and Payroll taxes referenced. Again, IIRC it wasn't really ALL federal regulations in the bill if you actually read it instead of just Rand Paul's talking points which sort of implied that it was all. Pretty sure the big exemptions were for like CAA NAAQS attainment and CWA 404 permits, which would reduce costs for businesses in the zones. I'll see what I can find although I got a neighborhood group board meeting in like an hr so I may not find it til later.


Edit: Nevermind ... I forgot how convenient the internet is.

1. CAA NAAQS Attainment
2. CWA NPDES Permits (NOT 404 doh!)
3. Extra EIS requirements than set by NEPA on federal highway projects
4. Wild and Scenic Rivers Act limits on land use and development
5. National Heritage Area limits on land use and development

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Just a heads-up from your friendly Attorney General that nullification is an illegitimate constitutional doctrine insofar as the Department of Justice is concerned, and if the Chamber of Delegates pass legislation purporting to invalidate federal law, I will be duty-bound to bring action against them.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

If the members of this chamber want to instigate a constitutional crises with the federal government by supporting this bill they're making a huge mistake, and I won't be a part of it.

[Saint Milei]

if marijuana was banned in atlasia and the south legalized it, none of you would be complaining. All of a sudden nullification is a big deal. Amazing. As a matter of fact, decriminalizing drugs in the south would be illegal according to you guys. Nothing would be done and there would be no point in having regional governments if we weren't allowed to do things differently than the national government

[Former President tack50]

if marijuana was banned in atlasia and the south legalized it, none of you would be complaining. All of a sudden nullification is a big deal. Amazing. As a matter of fact, decriminalizing drugs in the south would be illegal according to you guys. Nothing would be done and there would be no point in having regional governments if we weren't allowed to do things differently than the national government

Uh, not really. Here is what you can do from a region:

Section 3 (Rights and Limitations)
1. The powers not delegated to the Republic of Atlasia by this Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the Regions, are reserved to the Regions respectively, or to the people.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

if marijuana was banned in atlasia and the south legalized it, none of you would be complaining. All of a sudden nullification is a big deal. Amazing. As a matter of fact, decriminalizing drugs in the south would be illegal according to you guys. Nothing would be done and there would be no point in having regional governments if we weren't allowed to do things differently than the national government

That's totally incorrect. Atlasia like any other federation grants legal supremacy to the Federal Government. If there is any conflict Federal Law will always override regional law. To quote from the constitution:

1. This Constitution, and those laws, treaties, and other acts made by the Republic of Atlasia in pursuance thereof, shall be the supreme law of the land, and the executive and judicial officers of this government and of the several Regions shall be bound thereby, any thing in the laws or constitutions of the several Regions notwithstanding.

Now the supremacy clause is identical in the real life American constitution, so it's not as if it's something special to Atlasia. So I remain confused as to how you didn't understand this.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

relevant advice from the AG

Department of Justice
Re: S.19.3-6, the "Economic Freedom Zones Act"

The Southern Chamber of Delegates have in recent weeks taken up consideration of S.19.3-6, otherwise known as the "Economic Freedom Zones Act." Included in this legislation is §3.iii(2), which reads as follows.

(2)   Suspend and nullify all federal regulations in areas designated as Economic Freedom Zones

(1)

Article II§3(i) of the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia reserves to the regions "the powers not delegated to the Republic of Atlasia by this Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the Regions." (2) The authority to alter or annul regulations set in place by the executive government of Atlasia is reserved by Article III§6(xiv) of the same to the Senate and House of Representatives, in Congress assembled, which bestows on them full power "to make laws necessary for the enforcement of the Constitution and federal law." (3) Congress has repeatedly exercised this authority to amend or nullify executive regulations since ratification of the Fourth Constitution. As executive regulations pertain to the manner in which federal law is to be enforced and carried out, the power to either create or destroy them is properly a federal power. As such, the regions have no right by the Constitution to amend or annul regulations set in place by the executive government of Atlasia, in whole or in part, in any part of their territory. S.19.3-6 is, accordingly, an unconstitutional usurpation of Congressional power.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

I motion to table.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

I second the motion

[Elcaspar]

I third this motion

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The vote is now before us in regard to whether the bill should be tabled.

Aye

[Saint Milei]

Nay

[Elcaspar]

Aye

[Saint Milei]

If this ends up getting tabled, I'll just reintroduce a new version

[AustralianSwingVoter]

If this ends up getting tabled, I'll just reintroduce a new version

then try and make it constitutional this time

[Former President tack50]

If this ends up getting tabled, I'll just reintroduce a new version

then try and make it constitutional this time

Tbh a court case on the matter would be fun and would give the Supreme Court something to do for once

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Aye

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Aye

If this ends up getting tabled, I'll just reintroduce a new version

Good idea.

If this ends up getting tabled, I'll just reintroduce a new version

then try and make it constitutional this time

Tbh a court case on the matter would be fun and would give the Supreme Court something to do for once

Indeed!

[reagente]

Nay

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Voting Has Closed

S.19.3-6: Economic Freedom Zones Act of 2019 has been Tabled

Final Vote Count
[ 4 ] Aye
[ 2 ] Nay
[ 1 ] Absent - (John Henry Eden)